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Mar 6 2009 04:42am
Quote (jlhromeo @ Thu, Mar 5 2009, 09:48pm)
no, i get bottle/boots then head for eagle, usually getting it around lvl 10-11ish. bfly is usually finished from lvl 13-15 most games, sometimes sooner. why, whats wrong with rushing bfly? you become a murderer at mid game...


You'll be very weak untill you get it, and if your opponents are any decent it will take quite a long time as well.
You need some small items that will carry you throughout the early state of the game, such as wraith bands etc
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Quote (eCheque @ Thu, Mar 5 2009, 08:48pm)
Pretty sure Mike is > you.

Personally, I disagree with both of your points - but that's just me.

I usually get 2-3 wraiths w/ treads -> diffusal -> (Blink, sometimes, depending on the team etc.), -> bfly.

As for getting bots, the extra stats gained from Phase boots or Treads early game is what makes them better. If you're tp'ing out, I should hope you're not to cheap to be pulling around the best item in the game.

It costs 135 gold, and you only get 2 guesses.

btw, Radi is extremely outdated - and anyone that's 'initiating' with bladefury has died in that 5 second timeframe of them thinking they're invincible. I'd maybe get a radi if it was 6.10+ with an enigma... but...


uhh outdated? maybe, idk
i jus got bacck to dota after an year long break or so
but no, ur not gonna die in 5 sec, ur team should have at least one aoe stun...
tp scroll is aight, treads = shit, i dont get that junk, phase boots, idk, new item to me
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Mar 6 2009 03:45pm
im pretty sure .49 is older than 1 year old (fyi, version with stats pts, now actually useful for heroes who are not named silencer, furion or sven!)

if you played more than a couple of games since face boots were released you'd know the power of this item, or you play with clueless retards, whichever.
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Quote (Grunthor @ Fri, Mar 6 2009, 05:45pm)
im pretty sure .49 is older than 1 year old (fyi, version with stats pts, now actually useful for heroes who are not named silencer, furion or sven!)

if you played more than a couple of games since face boots were released you'd know the power of this item, or you play with clueless retards, whichever.


phase boots are nice but whenever I think that I wont be able to tp from the base to a lane, I resign and buy BoT
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Mar 6 2009 05:41pm
Phase boots are pretty powerful with jugg.
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Mar 7 2009 02:22am
Quote (RawrChunLi @ Fri, Mar 6 2009, 06:41pm)
Phase boots are pretty powerful with jugg.


phase boots should replace treads on most heroes
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Mar 7 2009 06:51am
bottle
boots
2 bracers
travels
deso
bfly

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Mar 7 2009 07:30am
Phase boots aren't for carries. Jugg should have boots as early as possible if not a first item, so he already has a huge movement speed advantage compared to other heroes. If you're not a complete fucking tool, you'll have travels soon enough. Even if the enemy has a slight movement speed bonus compared to you, it shouldn't be enough to run away from you, as a 10-25 ms advantage generally takes ~5-6 seconds to get out of the bladestorm aoe.

Dblade is alright, not the best orb you could possibly get on him.
Rad is still a good item on him, it's just difficult to farm on him, it's situational.
Bfury is generally what most people get, it makes farming easy mode, and adds an aoe element to your ult. Especially useful when you have dual initiators that wipe the creepwaves out prior to your ult, and hold them together.

As for bot or treads, it's hard to hit 2 extra slashes with bot on level 1 ult, but with treads it's relatively easy. Mobility is far superior in the end, however.
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Mar 7 2009 08:11am
Quote (Omniscious @ Sat, 7 Mar 2009, 17:30)
Phase boots aren't for carries. Jugg should have boots as early as possible if not a first item, so he already has a huge movement speed advantage compared to other heroes. If you're not a complete fucking tool, you'll have travels soon enough. Even if the enemy has a slight movement speed bonus compared to you, it shouldn't be enough to run away from you, as a 10-25 ms advantage generally takes ~5-6 seconds to get out of the bladestorm aoe.

Dblade is alright, not the best orb you could possibly get on him.
Rad is still a good item on him, it's just difficult to farm on him, it's situational.
Bfury is generally what most people get, it makes farming easy mode, and adds an aoe element to your ult. Especially useful when you have dual initiators that wipe the creepwaves out prior to your ult, and hold them together.

As for bot or treads, it's hard to hit 2 extra slashes with bot on level 1 ult, but with treads it's relatively easy. Mobility is far superior in the end, however.


I agree with everything but the line about bfury here
Still bfury is one of the most hated items in dota for me (followed by vlads, aghanim and s&y... By saing "hated" I don't mean that these items totally suck and unneeded, but they are VERY situational and could be needed only for a few specific heroes and occasions)
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Mar 7 2009 12:34pm
Quote (Omniscious @ Sat, Mar 7 2009, 08:30am)
Phase boots aren't for carries. Jugg should have boots as early as possible if not a first item, so he already has a huge movement speed advantage compared to other heroes. If you're not a complete fucking tool, you'll have travels soon enough. Even if the enemy has a slight movement speed bonus compared to you, it shouldn't be enough to run away from you, as a 10-25 ms advantage generally takes ~5-6 seconds to get out of the bladestorm aoe.

Dblade is alright, not the best orb you could possibly get on him.
Rad is still a good item on him, it's just difficult to farm on him, it's situational.
Bfury is generally what most people get, it makes farming easy mode, and adds an aoe element to your ult. Especially useful when you have dual initiators that wipe the creepwaves out prior to your ult, and hold them together.

As for bot or treads, it's hard to hit 2 extra slashes with bot on level 1 ult, but with treads it's relatively easy. Mobility is far superior in the end, however.


Nice generalization there, especially about a versatile hero such as juggernaut lewl.
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