exactly, what the main and the only thing that takes so big difference in dota "play" the one and only, last hitting, wich doesnt take much time to get good at.

and imo luck takes big spot in dota, for example, take Ogre befor 6.61

if iw as playing ogre, i would MC like 10 times from 50 shots..

others do 40/50

:/

This post was edited by AntonG on Jul 12 2009 03:18pm

This whole thread is retarded. If you think either one takes no skill, you're ignorant and wrong.

Those who say a game takes no skill generally lack skill in said game and play at a sub-par level. If you've never played competitively in DotA or in melee, making a judgment of any kind is just ignorant.

EDIT: Also, saying CS is the only, or even an important skill in DotA shows how little you understand about it. Also listing skills like Bash or heroes like Ogre Magi who are not ever used in competitive play again shows your ignorance. Being good at farming is only important for a carry. There is a much different required skillset for every role on the team. To both sides of the argument: stop being ignorant and talking about things you don't know about.

This post was edited by Spirit-Warrior on Jul 12 2009 03:21pm

in other words, you wanna say that miniclip games take fucking alot of skill.

This is not true at all. Last hitting is paramount to some Dota roles, and less so to others. It is really the basic skill that you need to compete. It is similar to knowing a build order; it's something you must have in order to play. It is not the game itself; it is an integral part of it, and you develop strategies around it.

This post was edited by deathbypepsi on Jul 12 2009 03:21pm

but knowing a build order, or a better strategy/moves/tactics, isnt realy a skill, its all about your knowlage.

i think everyone just got diff opinion about the word "skill"

im just trying to say that, if you take 2 guys, 1 "skilled" player and 1 not, and give them like month to train on dota, they both will have the same skills, but the smarter guy will win.



This post was edited by AntonG on Jul 12 2009 03:24pm

Ignorance is bliss. Think what you want. The fact that you're not good at DotA and so feel the need to flame those who are really means nothing to anyone. Are you even good at melee? I actually doubt it, because people who have played competitively on any kind of game are able to recognize what is and is not "skill" based.

EDIT: also, try to actually read an entire post and comprehend what is said before responding.

This post was edited by Spirit-Warrior on Jul 12 2009 03:24pm

If your so sure about it, shall we 1v1 dota arsh?

or let me guess, dota is a team game and wasting time on a noob like me isnt worth for you?

and flame? i didnt flame any one on this thread.



This post was edited by AntonG on Jul 12 2009 03:26pm

I wasn't using that example as a direct comparison of skills. It was merely an illustration of something you need in order to play competitively.

dude... wow

lasthiting and deny is the basic of dota

ok u get 1 guy with viper middle and 1 guy with sniper (i take those heroes cause they both need lothar imo)

if viper get 45-20cs at 15min and sniper ave 10-5

who will carry the game? the solo sniper with like no gold or the viper that is hella farmed and more lvled then the sniper? (considering they are both 0-0 at 15min)

?

i was talking about team, but yeah, in such situation, its hard to say who wins, maybe the sniper is smarter than him? and has better tactics, and viper is a greedy guy?

but yeah viper has advantage ofc.

what if sniper pushes with creep weave, and viper will rush on him :)? he can lose, what if sniper has dd. theres many outside effects that can change the game, wich you gotta be smart and use them.

This post was edited by AntonG on Jul 12 2009 03:30pm