true true.

Lol'd at this thread.
You guys must be horrible at Dota for hating it

Go to garena and see how many registered players are there.

This post was edited by MelsonX on Jul 12 2009 02:29pm

ur a moron, i have played a few games of dota and have friends who play religiously... its not for me its for people who like to do a lot less... its for people who cant handle controlling many things at once... dota is not wc3 and no i didnt get assraped in dota i left because people are stupid.. i dont agree thhat dota takes no skill, but i sure believe it doesnt take near as much as wc3 does as a game..
and if u think dota is the only thing keeping wc3 alive ur stupid.. thats like saying turret defense is the only thing keeping starcraft alive... tho dota is NEW to wcg purely because people train as 3man teams and play it... dota doesnt take very much strategy or fast pace thinking... u are prolly just some wc3 noob and u play dota, just like the rest

lol ur sOOO noob.. wc3 normal games takes knowing timing, creeping effectively and making every second count.. what u build, how u build it, and what order u build in is not even the least of what wc3 is about... its so much more than u can ever fathom.. u sir are a noob at wc3 and prolly a noob at dota amoung ur other dota noobs.. why dont u think and maybe know some facts before u talk like you THINK you know what ur talking about

ps3 is better, has better graphics, u cant use internet browser and install ur own operating system on it.. 360 doesnt compete at all.. pvp and pve is a little more valid but ps3 > 360 undoubtably.. thats like comparing some random computer to a quad core with maxed out specs

Couldnt say better than thizzle. lol

only 1 true fact all wil agree with, that dota is just a side mini game, wich cant take much skill

its fact, its the truth.

This post was edited by AntonG on Jul 12 2009 03:05pm

I have to disagree with you. Dota is largely a teambased game that is all strategy. It requires an intimate understanding of the dota mechanics and all the variables within. Timing is key, and you must be perfect to pull some things off. You react with skills and strategy the moment the enemy does something, and one wrong move, one botched spell can lose you a fight. It is a very in the moment type of game.

Dota might not be as micro intensive as wc3 (although, some meepo players can make regular WC3 look like a cake walk), but it's not supposed to. It is much more involved than regular WC3, because it has continuously grown over time. The heroes are much more difficult to use, and the strategies involved in their use are a step far beyond anything the standard WC3 heroes could dream about.

Pub Dota doesn't take much skill at all to master(that doesn't stop it from being fun though), but to play against 5 people who know what they're doing is an entirely different matter. I think the biggest issue within this thread is, the opposition to Dota are almost exclusively pubbers. If that is the reason you don't think Dota is difficult, then you've completely missed what makes the game challenging. It is a whole different level than WC3.

From my experience, what makes WC3 challenging is the some strategical options+ micro(when I say strategical options, I mean, knowing what to do is half the battle). What makes Dota challenging is you must know everything about Dota, which encompasses much more than regular wc3; you must be aware of what you must do at every given point in time(not to say that you don't do this in wc3, but there are many more variables in dota, such as creeps and spawns), following an entire team of other players, understanding what they can do, and being able to preform and react quickly and proficiently. There is a lot to think about when you play Dota and a lot of options for strategy and synergy.

They're completely different games, and they use widely different skillsets to play either. They're not even in the same genre, and I don't honestly think that WC3 is any harder, especially the ladder, although comparing tourneys is certainly viable.

your right, but the topic is more about how much skills does dota take.

and as you said, dota is about brain(timing, strategy, tactics) and luck ofc.

and dota is very buggy as well, aka ranged axe ults ranged dk stuns, over ranged last hits, and so on. and all this, because wc3 wasnt build for dota play style.
thats why dota cant take so much skill, thats why every player who has brain and played wc3 befor, can easily get "pro" in dota,

and about the teams you talk about..trust me, the teams arnt better than any pubby player,

they good because they always play together, but try to 1v1 them, youl find out that they just simple players like every pubby.

a pro normal wc3 player with random teamate can lose to avrg 2v2 team, because teams got more "team play" wich makes them more "skilled" as you say, but thats not a skill, so lets not get dizzy :).

This post was edited by AntonG on Jul 12 2009 03:14pm

The only luck involved in dota is the Bash skill, and the hero Chaos Knight, neither see competitive play.

Dota isn't buggy, those skills are set in stone. They don't have variable range; they were made that way.

Last hitting takes practice, but when you get good you should be able to last hit almost entire waves of creeps, if unhindered. Denying and last hitting is part of the game. If you aren't proficient at doing both, then you suck at Dota.

And the "pro" players at Dota do some downright amazing things in their own right, very similar to the "pros" at regular WC.

Saying they're the same skill level as a pub is downright ignorant.

This post was edited by deathbypepsi on Jul 12 2009 03:18pm