what kind of disable does panda have ? i mean the only 2 useful things in earlygame are ---> splashdamage and your evade and drunken haze is only for lategame.

splashdamage it just slows ur opponent and makes damage i dont see disable over here. like i said pls just post things uve played in games by yourself.

yep.otherwise i dont understand what you are trying to say here.



i think youve missed the whole dota game. my favo hero is roof i played him with evry possible build and i dont really think that your chances to win are pretty high when youre playing witouth str heroes.

This post was edited by KitsHusband on Sep 6 2009 06:16pm

Armlet won't really help you play the panda effectively. I offered it as one of the few options for attempting a DPS build. It works in pubs. I already stated my build in my first post. I don't think that I've actually played the panda, myself, in a, "decent," game, at least not that I can recall. I have seen him played in competitive matches and played against him in ,"decent," matches.



He has slow from clap, a stun from the earth panda, and cyclone from the air panda. 2 disables rivals and surpasses many top tier support heroes; having two slows doesn't hurt at all. He also has dispel, which is incredibly useful sometimes.



People win all the time without str heroes. It's actually quite common. Check out some competitive replays. Hell, check out some low tier all-pick leagues and you'll see it.

Attribute alignment is really more for balancing purposes. The fact that a hero is a str, agility, or int is irrelevant to their role. Their stat gains are all separate, and all it effects is ability bonuses to damage, which doesn't usually matter, although it does act as a balancing factor for some items, like armlet. If they changed kunkka or es to int based heroes, it wouldn't change anything for either hero, other than poor kunkka wouldn't get +10 damage from BKB .

I don't understand this specific quote. What does you playing the tree have to do with anything? He's a pub smasher, sure. Pubs don't deal with his ulti well at all; they don't deal well with massive aoe in general, but he's not a top pick.

This post was edited by deathbypepsi on Sep 6 2009 06:49pm

youre right 100 % ... but id never have time to use my 3 panda special skills because i scatter them into 3 directions so 1 of them survives when im at low hp. if your able to survive + use ur ulti when youre ganking then you must be the best panda ever ^_^... well mate nuf said i havent played dota now for 2 months and i bet there were a lot of changes, but still im thinkin that almost evry str hero should build up a little bit of hitpoints then you can do whatever u want.

This post was edited by KitsHusband on Sep 6 2009 07:00pm

never saw a dota league game. sorry im not interessted in leagues overall but i think ill give it a chance just to see how people win witouth str heroes afterall.

Too bad if they follow Earth, they'll get you every time...

And no. Stop giving bad advice.

i would say if played correctly and if needed panda can be a great tank

Why would he be a great tank? He draws no fire from the other team. Why would anyone try to focus him? After initiating with a blink clap, he spends most of the time in a team battle in split form.

dude or girl dont teach me playing dota i just see that u would loose evry game with your stinking dmg build. last word.

my simple guide works at my playstyle what ure dreaming of i dont care seems like u never played decent dota games.

if yes show me your pathetic build. yep i think pathetic is the word here -_-.

Leshrac
Start Small items.
Bottle
Arcane Ring ~ Great for spamming lightning. Makes a good harasser and gold farmer. Helps team on a push.
Phase Boots or Boots of Travel ~ Get Phase if your not doing so good on farming. Get BT if your doing good in farming.
Mid
Blood Stone ~ Hands down GG midgame item. Perseverance is a + to the mana and hp regen.
Mid or End
Afganim ~ Overkill Ulti.
Mid or End
BdaggerorLothars ~ good solo ganks and team gank as well.

Farming mode. Go Light + Diabolic + Ulti
Gank mode. Go Light + Earth + Ulti

This post was edited by iWILL on Sep 11 2009 11:41am

By the time you pick up an arcane ring, the laning phase should be over. You'll be ganking and potentially pushing more than you'll be harassing, and a simple void stone will give more mana regen than a constant spam arcane ring. Arcane is actually a really nice pushing item, but it doesn't offer leshrac the health he desperately needs by midgame. It's better off on less item dependent heroes, like zeus/omni etc. If you have a bottle, you definitely don't need arcane.

If you're going to get bloodstone, rush it. You'll want to get as many charges as possible early on.

This post was edited by deathbypepsi on Sep 11 2009 11:40am