ya vouch i'd go sny over armlet XD

S&Y is a terrible item on pretty much every hero, even more so now when Yasha can be built into Manta. N'aix is one of the best heroes for Armlet.

People who can't use Armlet are the ones who click their inventories or afk-attack-move. Not only does Armlet provide FAR more benefit, it costs half as much and doesn't waste his orb on worthless Maim.

Bkb isn't necessary uneless you're perma disabled. Dagger? Wtf. AC could work but I prefer damage items to amplify your damage with deso.

BKB isn't always necessary, but occasionally, the need for it arises.

Blink dagger has a number of uses on Niax, but mainly, it gets him to the squishy casters hiding behind a creepwave without having to waste rage or die to massive AoE. He can kill them in a few hits. It's also plausible to use it in conjunction with his ulti to escape.

Niax DPS increases significantly with his attack speed. Also, the bonus armor helps and the negative armor works with his feast.

This post was edited by deathbypepsi on Jul 26 2009 05:55pm

really bad build u have ur ulti and rage to escape dagger=useless
bkb=useless rage has a low cd your better off getting satanic with the new 150% witch brgs almost any hero back to half or more hp
rushing armlet= bad idea why? gloves=no stats helm=no stats blades = no stats how the fuck does that even make sense
desolator: ??? not because it has corruption that it goes on any hero...
quelling: naix has high attack dmg at the beginning with would you need quelling blade???? just learn to last hit.
ac: would only put that last item

Dagger as an escape mechanism is incredibly useful or useless, depending on the circumstances. As I said before, it's mostly used as a means to position yourself into the fray.

BKB grants back to back coverage. Around 10 seconds of spell immunity is a lot better than 5. Rage has a cooldown, and Niax can have mana issues.

When you rush armlet, you normally farm with 2 gauntlets and 2 branches. Typically, you buy it as a whole item, if you've farmed decently. If you're seriously suffering, you don't rush armlet, and typically go for treads/HoIW. That's usually how Niax does it. Unless you're using him for something besides main carry.

Deso synergies with his feast to well for massive damage with only a few shots. It's the best orb for him. If you get it by mid game, you will kill most casters in a few hits. No other item will accomplish the same thing on Niax.

Quelling can be useful if you plan on jungling, and knocking trees can be useful 8). It's one of those items that can be very handy.

Niax needs the IAS from hyper. The rest is gravy. It really fits well into his build.

Niax can't really be Niax without armlet. It's too good to pass up. It's the reason he's picked so often in 59d (and other previous versions), can't really say for the newer version, yet.

Satanic isn't amazing on him. You'd need a lot of items beforehand to make it any good, and by then you've either won or will win because you have crazy items. Your support should grab you a vlaads, if you feel you need lifesteal. A very specialized jungle Niax could rush HoTD, for centaur+open wounds ganker. Might not be to bad. Satanic would come way later in the game, if you got it at all (could always split HoTD).

This post was edited by deathbypepsi on Jul 27 2009 03:49am

Dagger is anything but useless on N'aix. Its not core, its not common, but its situational. Watch some of the best N'aix players in the world, Fear or Rem for example, they get it situationally as well, and obviously in high level games.

Against a good team, Rage is not enough immunity. Carries are prime targets for disables, for obvious reasons. Wasting orb on Satanic when you have Feast is a no no.

Ever activate Armlet? It gives you huge IAS and damage, and 25 STR, which is close to 500 HP on the spot. Its good for escaping, and great for mind games to net you extra kills you normally wouldn't have gotten. You're not actively ganking early game, and if you're a smart carry, you're not actively getting ganked either. Helm->Boots->finish armlet->finish treads is a cheap and effective way to build N'aix.

Desolator I've already explained, probably the best DPS item for N'aix after Armlet.

\agree

with open wounds on a hero you want to do as much dmg as fast as possible, thats the whole point of it, hence why armlet/stygian are pretty much core items

I just have a few minor comments on what you've said. Sometimes rage can be enough immunity. Niax doesn't always have a need for BKB, but it does come in handy against some pain in the ass lineups or if you're using him for a specific reason, and BKB is required for that reason. Even good teams can have difficulties stopping a Niax without BKB. Disables are usually thrown out quickly and chained, and realistically, most team fights begin with this. It's against teams that aren't crumpling and have major spell power that Niax needs BKB against.



He was specifically commenting on the viability of rushing armlet, not challenging its usefulness, something even I missed in my reply to him. The term rushing meaning getting it before anything besides consumables, and possibly boots. It seems his concern is placed on the period before you get the armlet, not after. I don't blame him for his concern, as not all of us can farm as well as Fear. Sometimes, particularly in pubs, you don't have the freedom to free farm all day long. If your team is losing or they don't grant you a baby sitter, it can be harsh to attempt rushing it, without getting stat items first. I put an emphasis on pubing here because they don't afford the typical securities a coordinated team will, but even good teams can have similar difficulties.

But, you pretty much covered why armlet is useful, and therefore why it's worth rushing. The fact that it's incredibly cheap and in small parts also makes this viable.

This post was edited by deathbypepsi on Jul 27 2009 03:27pm

In competitive games, meaning intelligent picks/bans, there's never a team that won't have disables waiting for you. AoE disables with long cooldowns initiate, targeted disables on key heroes (namely carries or your own disablers), and very often, there will still be some to go around, or some that come back on cooldown well before the fight is over. BKB, in a high level competitive game, will likely more often than not, be needed to perform exceptionally. While this may be changing in 6.61 with new strategies still being tested, there are very few top tier heroes who don't have at least 1 disable, and a strong emphasis on at least.

He talked about the viability of an armlet rush because of the lack of stats. 25 STR on demand is better than finishing treads first. Not to mention Helm of Iron Will is a great laning item that can be bought from the side shop. Obviously, no intelligent or decent player starts a game with no items. Some trees + gaunts/a salve is obvious. Not to mention you can just send courier over if you need more. N'aix has good base damage and a good animation. If you aren't able to farm well with him, then either practice more, or accept the fact that the carry role is not suited for you.

You can't free farm particularly in pubs? A pub is the easiest place to free farm, last time I checked. You can farm by a level 2 tower for 5 minutes before anyone even notices you. And when they finally do, assuming you're unable to run away cleanly, you can just infest and/or juke and Rage/TP.

I've dominated lanes with double melee in pubs, netting 3-5+ kills at the 5 minute mark between both players, something that would never happen in a competitive game. You shouldn't need a baby sitter in 99% of lanes in pubs. Yes, occasionally you'll meet decent aggressive harassers, but this is very uncommon, and in which case you can still jungle if your partner isn't range/able to harass the other players.

Stats are hardly necessary early game in pubs, people don't coordinate their spells/attacks, they don't coordinate ganks (at least not well), and a Helm + intelligent playing with minimal regen items will easily allow you to farm up the cheap pieces of Armlet. The activated HP buff will more than give you the HP you need to escape whatever comes your way until you manage to farm up more.

This post was edited by Spirit-Warrior on Jul 27 2009 04:39pm