Don't listen to this idiot

Orc dominates Ud by a huge margin, Ud have a small window of opportunity to win

I am saying this as both a random player and orc player



Do not listen this this person at all, he has no clue what he's saying. NE is not the strongest race, and in no way is orc the weakest.

And why should he listen to you any more than the next person?

Because I am not biased like those people, have been playing since roc beta, and have played with and against numerous pro players to know what I'm talking about?

every race has advantages and dis. prefer ud. coil nova strongest air (des,wyrm), strongest t 1.5 unit (fiend) . orc imba bm + strong grunts on begin, strongest t2 units, elf imba mass dry bear expo, human imba towers, sorcs, mk bash.

This post was edited by kulka on Dec 4 2009 06:22pm

And we are supposed to take your word for it? You sound pretty biased yourself believing that you're the only one who has played against "numerous pro players" where the definition of pro can be debated and again, the belief you are the only person on this forum who has done so.

This post was edited by Mirai on Dec 4 2009 06:23pm

Where did I say I was the only one who has played against pro players? This was directed towards you because you said why should people listen to me.

If you had any wc3 knowledge you would know that those kid's whom I quoted before have no idea what they're talking about. And explain how experience is considered bias?

I said I was an Orc player and I consider Orc to be the 2nd strongest race, and vastly superior to UD in most situations. Doesn't sound like bias to me, but what would you know?

You're just some random kid who gets offended easily, as well as an idiot.

If it makes you happy I'll refute everything he says logically from an experienced players viewpoint.



Kiting is one small skill used to effeciently maximize a units damage output. If 1v1 was all about kiting then pros would do nothing but kite with every single unit, which they don't. 1v1 Is mainly about map control, macro, and micro. Numerous other things that are as important are unit counters, scouting, creep and item memorization (knowing what to creep given a certain amount of time), unit pathing, build placement, and timings. Kiteing is a subcategory of micro, nothing more.



Nightelves have a huge disadvantage against UD on most maps, but the matchup is fairly equal otherwise. It favors NE early game if the NE is able to fast creep to level 3 (such as Terenas Stand), or expands without much effort.



I consider UD the 2nd worst race, worst being Nightelf. Orc have a giant advantage over UD mainly because of raiders, and the ability of orcs to escape quickly and do hit and runs (much harder to do vs NE/HU). In matchups against Human, it comes down to how successful the push is against the expansion, otherwise on one goldmine the UD has the advantage.



Slow is amazingly imbalanced vs Orc, and that is all. A human will never go sorcs for slow against UD or NE unless the NE goes pure bear, which is rare seeing as how good Dryads are.



This sentence just doesn't make any sense, it is economically stupid to go shamans just to use purge as a method for slowing units down. Purge was used in the old days mainly vs AM/BM because it does a substantial amount of damage vs summons. If you go shaman vs Elf or UD, I can guarantee you will lose if they are even half decent.

Clearly I'm just playing devil's advocate here but simply due to the fact, you are producing no results. Like I said, we are supposed to take your word for everything that you have said without a single piece of proof that what you said is correct? This is clearly biased based on your own opinion of the game and you apparently don't know what the definition of bias in, hence the bolded part.

I also said that I play random as well, giving me a much greater insight to every race's weaknesses and strengths. Tell me what kind of "proof" you would need to take my word over theirs? The fact that I have played as every race for over 4 years?

If I said I played ONLY Orc, then yes, I might agree with you, but as I clearly stated in my first post, I play random now, I am just best with Orc.

@ kbose I see you agree with me that kiteing does play a role in 1vs1 games on wc3 and ladder games. I see you explaining what i had said in more detail and belittling people on this forum as if they didn't already know what i had said was in basic detail. I've been playing wc3 ever since roc came out also, I've been in many ladder clans I've also been in tournaments so if your going to discuss what it takes to be pro and not what you feel is the strongest 1vs1 race which is what this thread was for then let me tell you this.

In basic detail just for you kbose ( Wc3 ladder games all comes down to control, that is it i will not explain it anymore since your good at being logical for me.)

Notes: orc is my strongest race because I've gotten my most wins with them, however i do feel that human in general 1vs1-5vs5 is the strongest in general.

Heres my proof to what i say useast /profile jakofalltrades Europe /profile zethcrome 100% legit and I'ma purposely not list my higher accounts yet so your not afraid to show your proof?
proof of my legitness I've lost 10 times in arow on 2vs2 randoms from leavers why you ask is because i was light senstive at the time and couldn't compete at such a fast pace. Though its all cool now you can 1vs1 if you like and you should do it now while I'm rusty i wouldn't want you getting pwned. :thumbsup:
Ps: i test all my strategies on my ladder accounts i don't go and make new accounts because I'm afraid of having loses on it.
my motto is if you lose you learn and if you win you earn. So I'll 1vs1 and if you really are all that pro ima just ninja your strategies. B)

This post was edited by zethcrome on Dec 5 2009 03:13am