u go 1 rax blademaster tech and get all the imbalance items off the map .. then get shadow hunters and beastiary + spirit lodge at tier 2...

grunt/raider/walker

once u are better with managing ur units once blademaster is lvl 3 u harass with him by stealing last creeps on the enemys creeps while he is creeping.. and creep with ur shandow hunter and ur army until he is 3 for lvl 2 healwave...

vs ud get t3 for orb+reinforced burrow+ berzerkers

There's no universal strat, even though this will work a fair number of times.

The farseer is definitely not a hero to ignore.

Farseer + Tauren Chieftan works vs. all races quite well under certain circumstances. Chainwave, grunts, and raiders works wonders if used right. But that's just a very small piece of a very large puzzle, just like your strategy.

It's the narrow-mindedness of people nowadays that makes it easy for me to beat almost anyone in 1v1. So many strategies have been forgotten that it's easy to beat so many people who do the mainstream stuff.

This post was edited by Canadian_Man on Jul 22 2009 02:23am

lol @ ur comments... play me 1v1 and go farseer. i wont lose , farseer is worthless vs dh

grunt/raider/walker is the main strat because it is the best strat for blademaster usage.. farseer is good if ur techign to t3 which u cannot do successfully in 1v1 except vs ud... i see farseer and laugh because i know i have already won

I will gladly. But I only play Lordaeron, I guess I sometimes go Azeroth... but I play worth shit if host has any delay (which is why I prefer hosting, but then same problem could be on your end if I host).

I've been playing Warcraft III since RoC came out. And I've just actively been playing the game. I've taken breaks of course... 1 year here, 1 year there, etc... but I know what I'm doing.

And 3 years ago I used to watch replays a lot. Patches haven't changed a lot since then (might have been 2 years ago, not sure). Anyways, what I'm saying is that I've watched pro tournament games and seen different races in action.

Common pro first hero strategies include:

HUMAN:
too many to list, but usually starts with archmage or mountain king every time

ORC:
blade master -> shadow hunter -> (depends on game)
blade master -> naga seawitch
blade master -> tauren chieftain
farseer -> tauren chieftain -> (depends on game)
farseer -> shadow hunter -> (depends on game)

NIGHT ELF:
lots to list, but most commonly starts with the demon hunter
beastmaster first can be done effectively also, but demonhunter obv. is better bet
I don't play as night elf often

UNDEAD:
death knight -> lich -> (depends on game)
lich -> death knight
lich -> firelord (my personal favorite, or lich -> pandaren) // would have to show gameplay to explain this one

im at northrend

ps: good discussion.. it is helping me i guess, but reading and understand + doing are 2 completely different things.. :S

Best thing to do is to play games and watch replays.

One MAJOR thing I've noticed is that lately people have been getting into trends. For example, the majority of orc players claim blade master is the best first hero every time; this is a trend. If you want to get good fast, you can take these ideas and just use them to get easy build orders and such, but later on you'll realize there's way more ways to play the game and win.

I'm having fun fooling around beating high ranked players by confusing them when I use strategies that people hardly use anymore (or people don't use them at all anymore).

I can 1v1 you and show you a bunch of different interesting strategies that have been fun to pull off (note that a lot of my fun strategies aren't always great ideas, but they're fun). Example would be archmage -> bloodmage -> pit lord, teching up, and constantly harassing, then usually getting a mixed army focussing on primary unit being spell breakers; the other units may include, in small numbers, a couple priests &/or sorcs, or a large number of air units. That human strat works very well, but I wouldn't classify it as "pro".

This post was edited by Canadian_Man on Jul 22 2009 02:52pm

bm naga? sounds pretty lame

and also naming a few heros doesnt mean that is their strats... and patches dont change gameplay the evolution of pro gamers change the in game strategy.

i play lordaeron and beat front page noobs in solo all the time.. but i can host with delay reducer if u really wanna game im down.. whats ur acc name?



you just called the best hero in the game a trend?? ><

of course u can win a game everynow and then with bizzaare strats.. shit in NE v NE i go dh/dr hippo riders and beat 100-60 solo players... but its not used because of its t2 weakness having a dr 2nd and they can push.. i only do this vs potm hunts but the t2 push will beat dr instead of beast master

blademaster is something u need to use and master if u play orc... he does everything u need in a hero plus more.. u can creep with a 2nd hero and creep jack with ur blademaster at the same time... u cant do that with a farseer or any other hero besides maybe a DH.

Of course u can go tc/panda/pitlord mass docs zerkers and just trap/ stomp/haze/roar and make their DPS go to shit as ur mass berzerker army maybe a few tauren and casters .. BUT to every "FUN" strat there is a BRUTAL weakness... and u cant suprise someone who is scouting and playing the game correctly... the only gay strat that i will the "pro" award to is orc going mass bat riders on gnoll wood... now that shit is way too pro, but i just figured out the way to pwnt it sooooo...

the truth of it all is

If you play orc and go blademaster first 100 games and far seer first 100 games... blademaster will win a lot more of the games (considering u use them both the best of their abilitys)

This post was edited by Thizzle_Dancee on Jul 22 2009 04:26pm

I disagree with this statement. The farseer is just far too useful.

For example, in some situations you might want to not get raiders immediately, and go grunts + wyverns (just as an example, not that I do this often). The naga seawitch acts as an excellent substitute to a raider (more effective than hex in a chase rather than head-on battle). Some dust of appearance, a speed scroll, and no blade master is any problem. The chain lightning and forked lightning just adds to the deadliness (mainly chain lightning is used).

But this is just an example, I rarely go grunts + wyverns only.

Another strategy I love using is farseer + tauren chieftain quick tier 2 to wyverns & kodos. Sometimes more kodos than wyverns, sometimes more wyverns than kodos. Speed scroll, war stomp, and the wolves are essential for harass & level 2 wolves are essential for a bit of ground power. For late game, it's essential to have the farseer since a level 5 farseer with either level 3 chain lightning or level 3 wolves (depending on whether you need anti air or harass/anti ground) is also essential. (Note that this doesn't always work lol, it's for fun, but it's awesome if done right... I have mastered it almost... not copying any1, came up with it on me own, not that I'm claiming to be the first or original... it is done by lots of ppl... just most only go wyverns & suck with the hero end of it).

This post was edited by Canadian_Man on Jul 22 2009 05:05pm

Wow I skipped my point entirely above. What I was meaning to explain is that the farseer is very useful & can be used as a first hero under MANY circumstances.

Great vs. undead, great vs. night elf, great vs. human, and useful against orc even.

Ask grubby about that one he will tell u