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Jun 23 2009 05:19pm
Quote (PG_Lord @ Tue, Jun 23 2009, 10:59am)
this...
BM = half of orcish army...
panda = must have vs UD.s AND ur 2 nukes...


is panda better than TC stomp?
and I actually prefer using SH for hex on DK so actually dies instead of spamming potion of invulnerability O.o
DK down = no healz and no tank :)
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Jun 24 2009 02:35am
Quote (jua @ Wed, 24 Jun 2009, 01:19)
is panda better than TC stomp?
and I actually prefer using SH for hex on DK so actually dies instead of spamming potion of invulnerability O.o
DK down = no healz and no tank :)


Not stronger at all.

TC on level 3 is a major fightbreaker and when he turns 5, fiends get virtually useless, because they are disabled 80% of the time. TC is the only reason orc is able to go wyvern against the direct counter fiends and the main reason why orc ground has such a huge edge over ud ground.

Going panda would be a complete waste and extremely dumb vs UD. Haze can be dispelled, Fire doesnt do much vs high hp units + healing scroll + coil + statue heal.

If you go TC or SH is playstyle dependant
VS Elf, TC vs Talons (Wave), SH vs Bears
VS Human, TC vs Casters, SH vs everything else. Possibly Alchimist 3rd vs mass gryphs. You can also go Bm/Sh/TC trihero on larger maps.
VS UD, TC almost all the time. SH only on small maps with an aggresive playstyle
Mirror, Always BM / SH. Healing wave together with link is just way too strong.
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Jun 24 2009 05:49am
i didnt make myself really clear...
my bad ^^
orcs dont need panda...
they have BM...
pascal said that NE can use panda, and y i play NE so panda is pretty much must have for me vs UD...
not for orc :]
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Jun 24 2009 06:56am
Quote (PG_Lord @ Wed, 24 Jun 2009, 13:49)
i didnt make myself really clear...
my bad ^^
orcs dont need panda...
they have BM...
pascal said that NE can use panda, and y i play NE so panda is pretty much must have for me vs UD...
not for orc :]


Ok, agree on that. DH + Panda or DR + Panda are pretty much the main combos. Warden can be played with or without panda and Beastmaster isnt popular anymore, so youll almost always have panda, but SECOND, not first
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Jun 24 2009 08:20am
What items do you guys usually buy for battles?

I tend to get 1 or 2 circlets on my BM with a potion of healing + a scroll of healing
Either on TC or SH I like a mana pot or 2, potion of invuln, and a scroll of healing
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Jun 24 2009 08:31am
bm ftw.
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Jun 24 2009 12:12pm
Quote (jua @ Wed, Jun 24 2009, 02:20pm)
What items do you guys usually buy for battles?

I tend to get 1 or 2 circlets on my BM with a potion of healing + a scroll of healing
Either on TC or SH I like a mana pot or 2, potion of invuln, and a scroll of healing


as i said be4, i play NE, so i cant talk bout orcs...
but for me, 2 scrolls, inv potion, SOMETIMES boots on main hero (depends on early game), and orb of venom for DH...
and depends on game again, NE staff for quickly teleporting bear/2nd hero to base...
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Jun 25 2009 12:00pm
Quote (jua @ Mon, Jun 22 2009, 02:57pm)
Has anyone tried to play panda as first hero??

He has the gg ult that is basically 3 heroes for a temp period.

Although I guess it would be hard to get lvl 6 in a 1v1 :(

But his flame breath = TC shock wave and he has a passive for evasion O.o like DH

Iso: Opinions :D

[DISREGARD THE FACT THAT BM HAS WINDWALK & AUTO KILLING CRIT]


i usually got the guy who could harass at start
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Quote (mangospork @ Thu, Jun 25 2009, 11:00am)
i usually got the guy who could harass at start


ah...
blademaster?

Lol...

Lvl 1 harass isn't really affective, you gotta get to lvl 3 before you do any significant dmg imo :D
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Jun 26 2009 10:55am
Quote (jua @ Fri, Jun 26 2009, 03:22pm)
ah...
blademaster?

Lol...

Lvl 1 harass isn't really affective, you gotta get to lvl 3 before you do any significant dmg imo :D


imo lvl 1 BM = 3 wisps down in 2nd min of the game...
harass?
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