instead of buying dagon and upg it, take BF + Buriza and u have gg backstab+stun+dmg >>> dagon

ofc treads and/or bottle (if ur rune hunter)

edit: +vlads



ofc and this works only on low-hp heroes -.- Try ur build at str team hero like cent/sven/pudge

This post was edited by imgod on May 5 2009 04:20am

lawl, fail
nuff said





a) Your role will be a burst damage ganker, not a farming carry
b.) If you meet all 3 of those heros coupled, just laugh at how retarded your opponents team is
c) Stop playing pubs

Riki:
Treads, Wraith, Diffusal ofc. Not bfury, just get bfly or manta after that. Also Armlet if you can handle it and

Lion:
Bottle, Phase, Stats, Dagger, Wardwhore
Later support or caster items if the game still goes on (you wont be able to afford alot of items if you play him correctly and just prepare the kills for your carry)
Guinsoo, Bloodstone etc.

This post was edited by Pascal3000 on May 5 2009 07:04am

wow, took until page two for a non-retard to post

You talk just like my roommate. I guess both of you visit Dotaallstar too much. I couldn't agree with more what you just said. Personally I don't go bfury on SA, but that's more for farming capability. My roommate also taught me how to play a pro lion with a dagger and guinsoo to perm stun a carry in a team battle.

dota-allstars is a horrible place to find strategies

i find the best way is to watch replays of scrimmages with other clans and/or matches to find flaws in the losing team

here's my lion build:

http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/jontheskillful/ss_file-b5ce784b5a6b9ba9287864c35548a368b0f9fd57.jpg

dagon can be changed for necronomicon

in the case of necronomicon i'd probably do blink dagger and forget the euls and have necro 3
necro 2 does more damage than a 400 damage dagon (calculations include a regular 4/x/0/x stats build) excluding the suicide damage on the sentry necro

necro 3 does more damage than a dagon 3 or 4 excluding the 800 suicide damage of the sentry necro, and you use it late game to also save money on sentry wards to counter-ward

the screenshot is from my team's first CEVO league loss (7-1 and in playoffs atm)

and yeah, we all did bad because we didn't talk strats and chose heroes on the fly

to play NA and lion you need an aggressive playstyle (not psycho aggressive and suiciding, but aggressive in a smart and effective way)
and unlike imgod said "if ur rune hunter" you absolutely must hog runes as NA and gank
you should have reasonably high kill+assist values if you're playing heroes like lion and NA properly

I never visit dota-allstars. I only use my account to download replays in the competitive section from time to time (those that are posted as attachments to threads), never posted there.

Agree with dude150 overall.

His cevo scrim team is First Blood. They have been playing mediocre lately.

What's your roomates aka? My team scrims vs FB a good amount.

FB-Fang or KTG-Fang