i need some builds for leshrac,panda(mangix),nessaj,

Leshrac is pretty straight forward. Bloodstone is essentially your core (he can potentially do a number of builds, but this is a fairly common one). Everything else is situational. Standard gear would be something like bloodstone/phase. Luxury items would include Dagger/Aghamins/Shiva/Guinsoo/Hood. He isn't picky when it comes to items, and a lot of things can work.

Panda is a pretty straight forward. Core item is dagger. Often you'll want to rush it, if you can. Items after that are purely situational. Shiva/Necrobook/Aghamins are pretty standard.

CK is a roaming ganker. Treads+ a few bracers and bottle is his core. Luxury is Armlet. Armlet works on images and it's quite handy for his playstyle. After that Cuirass is very nice, especially since it effects buildings now (images+Cuirass=tower shredding). An early HoTD is viable. Grab a troll for extra gank power and then split it later for armlet and possibly vlaads, depending on lineup.

This post was edited by deathbypepsi on Sep 3 2009 02:31pm

U sure bout shiva necro on panda?

yeah that guy pretty much knows his stuff. as he said those items are purely situational

shivas if they have a few agility carries that you want to slow down. necro if you want to help counterward / if they have some invis.

also for panda phase boots or treads are great and aghanims is really useful in almost every game

funny ass sig lol

It may seem tempting to build Panda as a DPS or Tank-like hero, due to drunken brawl and his numerous defensive abilities. The problem with this is that his ulti makes most items relatively useless. He is also outclassed by many heroes in both departments, and some of those heroes have very similar roles (slardar comes to mind as an initiator/chaser and alchemist as a ganker/support/tank). In most big team fights, he is going to initiate, nova his abilities and then ulti for the extra disables+debuff. It's important to note the sheer amount abilities, and the actual usefulness of those abilities, is what makes him worth a pick. His stun and cyclone are top notch with good recharges.

His play-style is that of a ganker/semi-initiator/ anti-carry. He works particularly well against some of the non-bkb carry heroes, such as viper/silencer/visage

Shiva is an all-around great package for him. It supplies the mana he needs, gives a nice aura when he hasn't split, and the extra AoE slow+nuke makes him do some hefty AoE damage and some serious slow. He functions very similarly to other initiators, and, like many of them, shiva makes a great capstone.

Necrobook is incredibly useful on the panda. He can farm well to actually get it, and it synergies with his ulti, simply because he can actually use it and still gain the benefits while split, much like heroes with channeling ulties, except his pandas actually gain the benefit of the auras. The stats are all in the right places and the abilities of the necrobook are quite good. The biggest problem with the necrobook is the micro involved. Panda can be a bit micro intensive as it is; he's not too bad, but he is certainly more difficult to manage than most heroes.

Justifying either item based purely on his ulti is an oversimplification, but that is a large part of it. Both items would be good on him if he didn't have his ulti.

This post was edited by deathbypepsi on Sep 4 2009 12:31pm

Phase
Bstone
Aghanims


Treads
Armlet
Blink
Heart


Treads
Bottle
Armlet
Heart

There are a few things wrong with your suggestions. Vanguard's usefulness is limited to very specific heroes, under specific conditions. Panda isn't one of those heroes. He has a nice str gain. Bracers/Wand are rather nice on him. They both give him survivability and the mana he desperately needs. For the panda, Vanguard becomes an overpriced boost to HPs and a very small boost to EHP.

Hood is useful, but not for the reason you've listed. Panda is a viable pipe carrier.

Battlefury doesn't offer any survivability and it is delayed to far into the game for it to be useful, as you'd need dagger/treads beforehand. If you're going for DPS armlet is a better alternative.

There are a few things wrong with your suggestions. Vanguard's usefulness is limited to very specific heroes, under specific conditions. Panda isn't one of those heroes. He has a nice str gain. Bracers/Wand are rather nice on him. They both give him survivability and the mana he desperately needs. For the panda, Vanguard becomes an overpriced boost to HPs and a very small boost to EHP.

Hood is useful, but not for the reason you've listed. Panda is a viable pipe carrier.

Battlefury doesn't offer any survivability and it is delayed too far into the game for it to be useful, as you'd need dagger/treads beforehand. If you're going for DPS, armlet/deso is a better alternative.

A tank is a hero whose damage is independent of their items, so they buy survivability gear in order to direct focus. There is a small number of actual str tank heroes, three maybe four. There is, however, a surprisingly greater number of agility/int tanks. Initiator does not=tank.

Also, panda makes for a terrible, "tank," type of hero.

This post was edited by deathbypepsi on Sep 4 2009 05:51pm