its not about difficulty of playing the races mechanically

it's entirely knowledge based.

the reason people struggle to reach higher ranks with the other two races is simply because they don't want to.

build orders are copyable and will carry you and your mediocre mechanics to the top, but most people don't copy builds out of laziness or just stop at copying an opening as if that matters.

there were grandmaster protosses on KOREA that wouldn't ever scout your side of the map until their 2 base all in was hitting. That means that you can copy everything they did down to the tee, no matter what your opponent does, and still climb the ranks at an astounding rate.

there were grandmaster terrans who executed the same builds every single time and pushed out at the same time, every single game.... this is copyable. you can do this with no knowledge and mediocre mechanical skill and reach GM on NA.

if you aren't at least GM on NA, with protoss or terran, then you haven't taken the 3 hours (or less hours) required to find and copy 1 good build per matchup and then an extra, let's say, 2 weeks if you're already really low on the ladder, to do nothing but practice the builds you just copied down. now you're executing your builds out of memory and the timings are really good which leaves you with nothing to think about besides microing, congratulations. you're grandmaster.


zerg, the mechanics needed for playing the race are, some of the time, easier than the other two... but you can't copy shit unless it was zvz... sort of. You can copy a unit comp, an idea, but you still had to scout at certain times and know what the fuck was going to come and kill you and there was no one build you could do and still win a ton of the time. I would have hit GM with terran or toss long before I did with zerg if I had just never picked up the race.



note: this is not counting super cheese builds like 2 rax and other shit that still killed the best zerg players in the world despite not requiring any skill at all from the users behalf.

I'd say it is true that zerg has more emphasis on fundamentals but zerg can also get to GM with just build orders. There are plenty of zergs in GM who only all in but it's just less common. Season 1 of HotS I got to GM doing 10 pool vs z, roach/bane all in vs T, and hydra/ling into muta against P. All all ins except for hydra/ling into muta, but at the time protoss players were awful at dealing with mutas so it usually ended the game when they came out. Unfortunately now you can just afk your mothership core at your base and deal with every form of harrassment with a few careless clicks but I digress.

Obviously very solid mechanics and fundamentals will come out on top 9 times out of 10 but people will always try to finely craft their all ins to win the game. And it's much easier to finely tune an all in---the games are just faster and you have more data to work with. If people didn't do this the game would become very dull very fast and every game would look the same as the other.

It's true though that it's usually terran and protoss that really put work into their all ins. When zerg players all in it seems more like a tired effort to get a quick win than any real effort to create a strong build. It's probably because zerg is its strongest when it's on 3 or more bases but I'm not sure. It's odd.

this clearly is troll thread

both posters above you are gm m8

They arent right though

you can tell people that they'll get gm easily by copying a couple builds and doing NOTHING but practice executing them vs ai so they know them off by heart and down to a T before entering ranked and applying it there, but no one will actually do it.

most people don't even make it past the 'watch replay' stage.

instead they're like I'D RATHER SPEND THOUSANDS OF GAMES DOING MY OWN HALF ASSED SHIT THAT CLEARLY ISN'T WORKING AS IS.

~humans~

also zerg all ins were less popular for a few reason

scouting was super shit until you were good enough to be like, oh there's X amount of hellions at Y time, now I know your full build without seeing it but the other races could see what zerg was doing.

zerg all ins were actually reactions and not a build that requires a reaction, like the other races versus zerg. zerg was like, OKAY, I CAN'T EARLY POOL BECAUSE IT LOSES EVERYTHING AND YOU CAN SCOUT IT ANYWAYS. SO WHEN YOUR SCV LEAVES MY BASE I WILL BANELING ALL IN YOU TO HIT BEFORE YOUR HELLIONS COME OUT. that won every game for a few weeks then standard builds started holding it again because people stopped being surprised that zerg could all in them.

and i'm not above all ins myself, when i came back after a 1.5 year break in HOTS, i was destroying pro terrans with a 3 base 60 drone roach drop 'all in.' which only worked because again, it was a reaction. nerds would be just about to fly their third CC down to their third and have very few units after harassing with hellbats or hellions. run roaches into their view on the way to their base, they build bunkers at the front, have overlord already in position to drop their main, and rally all new roaches to the front. win game. thanks for playing.

but, this topic wasn't strictly about all ins. terran vs zerg was a pretty giant build order. same production at the same times, same expansions at the same times, same pushes at the same time, same turrets at the same time, all the while being safe from all zerg builds.

anyways, till next time folks

Every race can "all-in on reaction" if you think about it.. But even zerg has had its fair share of very strong all ins throughout the years. Including but not limited to: the trusty 2 base roach/baneling all in vs T, 6 pool vs P, 2 base hydra nydus vs P, 3 base roach max (I think you can consider than an all-in), pretending to play standard HotS ZvT then just never take a fourth and make only lings after like 10 mutas (pretty dirty), proxy hatch spine pushes, etc. Can't really do most of that on reaction. Unless you're reacting to the way they played a few games ago.

Post these good builds for terran all ins m8

let me spare you some time and tell you there aren't any. The reason terran all ins ever could work was people didn't know how to play, but after some time of figuring out they all just simply became irrelevant as they were not viable anymore, opposed to protoss all ins, where you still needed to sweat blood to hold them even if you knew they were coming from the get go. This thread is obviously for trolling, i really can't believe someone like raine could be that narrowminded. (early wings of liberty doesn't matterr, cuz that shit was really unstable)

This post was edited by Cpt_Ghost on Apr 4 2016 02:47am

i am not that narrowminded, you just can't read

i said builds

terran macro is a scripted build