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Jun 6 2013 04:47pm
I havent played seriously in a long time and wanted to switch to random to get a better feel for the overall game

Protoss players please post your
PvZ
PvT
PvP
builds with 3rd base timing

Terran players please post your
TvZ
TvT
TvP
builds with your first push out timing

Zerg players please post your
ZvZ
ZvT
ZvP
builds with your Lair timing


ps. do not fucking cry in this thread
tommyvv stay the fuck away from this thread
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Jun 6 2013 05:00pm
Well, for Z v X you can pretty much get away with 15 pool 15 hatch in every match up and be just fine.

Then it's basically just make drones for 10 minutes, trying not to die.

Mass T3 units, win.
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ZvT - Simple ass build - 28/28 Roach Push is really easy to learn and punishes greedy terrans. Kind of easy to counter if Terrans notice few queens or see over 100 gas taken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKNXVmmgHRo
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Jun 6 2013 05:08pm
Quote (LegendaryIcicle @ Jun 6 2013 05:47pm)
I havent played seriously in a long time and wanted to switch to random to get a better feel for the overall game

Protoss players please post your
PvZ
PvT
PvP
builds with 3rd base timing

Terran players please post your
TvZ
TvT
TvP
builds with your first push out timing

Zerg players please post your
ZvZ
ZvT
ZvP
builds with your Lair timing


ps. do not fucking cry in this thread
tommyvv stay the fuck away from this thread
thanks to the rest of you good people


TOSS:

PVZ
lately i do the moship core -> 4 gate + expansion with a robo to kill roaches ^.^. i try to end the game before taking a 3rd because zerg players usually have terribad control and get raped by ffs + immortals. previously, in wol, id have to FFE every single game w/ phoenix. moship core = awesome.

if you're strict on 3 base stuff, either one will get there. can't really say I have an exact 3 base build, because I will play differently based on what my ob sees. these are basically your 2 go-to builds.

PVT
1 gate expand almost every game. while you're making your first stalker, you can drop a stargate and make 1 oracle. i usually go into 2-3 phoenix here for scouting/minor worker harass (lifting from building third cc, rax, star, etc). go up to 3 gates while ur nat is warpin in, keep making probes. defend any kind of early push with warpgates. get a robo to stop widow mine crap/banshee cloak. get a mothership core for the overcharge, which can save you against several early harasses. I typically go coloss -> chargelots -> storm/archons. you can skip coloss if you know your opponent is not gonna 2 base timing you, and go straight to storms and ez win if they can't micro.

PVP
3gate + stargate basically every game unless I know they are doing a warpgate timing. take the expo and get the second set of gas and have 2 stargates, outproduce opponent in phoenix and secure map control. with the phoenix + map control, you can scout his exact army and build w/e you want to win. I typically end up with a lot of chargelots (with excess minerals, of which there will be many), a crapload of phoenix (counters coloss. void rays, other phoenix), couple immortals/colossus depending, and sometimes even storm if they are going heavy zealot (gives u a huge advantage if you are good with storms). i never go mass void rays, because it just seems disgusting to me. don't forget to make a robo sometime around your nat warping in, cuz dts will ruin your day if you don't have a robo up!
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Jun 6 2013 05:24pm
T v P : open supply - hax - gas, get 1 reaper for scouting ( dont let him die ).. Than get reactor in hax and get 2nd cc inside main. After 2nd cc, start second barracks and engeneering bay(produce rines on reactor hax). Get a second gas, start upg on ***, and get a facotry. And in the 2nd hax get tech lab and search stim. When fac is done, do a reactor and the starsport. Keep producing rines / rauder in haxs. When starsport is rdy switch to the reacotr and get 2 medivacs, and than when theyre done u push.

If u scout blink all in go for tanks in factory, and keep cc in main till u can move out safely
If u scout oracles make a turret in mineral line
If u scout 4gate do some bunkers

T v Z : open CC first, than hax and gas, 2 rines on hax, bunker on natural, reacotr on hax with facotry. When fac is done make 6 helions and go try some harass.. Than build more 2 hax, 3rd cc, and armory for hellbats... than just keep producing mass marines and hax's, medivacs and hellbats (vs ling muta) or mines (good for ling muta too, but use them vs roach hydra, and no hellbats in this case)

Do not forget to scan around 15 min to chek for ultras

TvT: supply hax gas, another hax, reapers on hax's, orbital command, supply, expo, gas.
Get 4 reapers and harass.. when theyre done get 1 reactor and 1 tech lab, search stim and make rines.
Than get fac and starsport, engeneering bays and more hax's.
If opponent go for mirror game (marine tank vs marine tank) just keep playing this way
if he goes for mech (hbat and tank) get like 3 starsports and make some banshees into bc's (need 3rd base atleast)


e/ TvT

you can also go for early banshee (gas first, hax, fac, starsport)
or hbats drop

This post was edited by TaKaT on Jun 6 2013 05:29pm
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Jun 6 2013 05:30pm
PvP 4 gate every game. My PvP is fuckin terrible but its still at a 80% w/r just because of dat 4gate.

PvZ do your standard FFE into tech of choice, usually the safe bet is collosi since zergs like to use that retarded free unit spawning swarmhost bullshit or roach/hydra, both of which require collosi.

PvT 17 Nexus 17 Gate/pylon/gas then cyber as soon as gate is done. By the time cyber is done you should have 150 gas for warpgate tech + mothership core. From there you can do anything you want really. If you scout gas i would get a robo before adding more gates for an observer to fend off early widowmine drops.
You can either tech up and get a 3rd base after the robo + more gates or you can 2base all in with a immortals or collosi.

I never really used build orders other than 1rax FE when playing terran tho and i found Zerg so insanely boring/braindead and monotonous (even more so than protoss) that i couldn't stand to play it for more than a season ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This post was edited by Butt_Commander on Jun 6 2013 05:31pm
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Jun 6 2013 06:58pm
Thanks everyone, keep them coming!

Please the timings as well if you can
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Thanks everyone, keep them coming!

Please the timings as well if you can


now you're just being lazy
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Jun 6 2013 08:15pm
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now you're just being lazy


Yeah, this is like the most quality of all threads that have ever existed here.
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Jun 6 2013 08:20pm
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now you're just being lazy


One of the biggest problems I had with Protoss is my 3rd base timings, I'd sometimes get greedy and take an early 3rd and get raped or try to play more upgrade focused and take a slower 3rd and get raped cause I can't keep up with production
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