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Feb 23 2013 11:25pm
Quote (LegendaryIcicle @ Feb 24 2013 01:19am)
Okay yeah I wasn't making any points regarding this issue before 820 came along
I feel so bad for you seriously


your contribution can be summed up as follows:

"well what if they kill my observer?"


You're right, I'm retarded. Sorry about that
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Feb 24 2013 12:23am
Quote (eyewuvd2 @ Feb 24 2013 01:25am)
your contribution can be summed up as follows:

"well what if they kill my observer?"


You're right, I'm retarded.  Sorry about that


If thats what you read then you really are.
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Feb 24 2013 12:32am
spidermines are stationary and cant attack workers

widowmines serve the same zoning type of role but can also be moved around and used aggressively and can kill lots of workers as well as limit protoss to a few openers with the timing they can come out
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Feb 24 2013 12:37am
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spidermines are stationary and cant attack workers

widowmines serve the same zoning type of role but can also be moved around and used aggressively and can kill lots of workers as well as limit protoss to a few openers with the timing they can come out


Spidermines also can't attack air and are not reusable

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Quote (dwalk1989 @ Feb 24 2013 02:32am)
spidermines are stationary and cant attack workers

widowmines serve the same zoning type of role but can also be moved around and used aggressively and can kill lots of workers as well as limit protoss to a few openers with the timing they can come out


well ... 820 mentioned punishable openers. If the widowmine should be punishable, then so should the SG opener and twilight ... but this really isn't the case. The only counters are probably blind banshee - and with the addition of the oracle detection this doesnt even counter SG anymore ... so this argument falls on deaf ears. Protoss have had control of the early game for the entirety of WoL.


But I agree that WM in worker lines are a problem .. esp with a 1s burrow time. However most of these qq nabs aren't talking about WM drops because they're playing in pre-school leagues. tbh the WM drops have just started after the nerf to hellbats, lol

Vultures could drop mines just about anywhere and they were made in large quantity .. so even though WMs aren't stationary they are similar to spider mines IMO. In my experience a windowmine doesnt get a chance to shoot many times (many being 3+) before dying

Quote (LegendaryIcicle @ Feb 24 2013 02:23am)
If thats what you read then you really are.


Before you were just amusing, now you're just obnoxious. I have a degree in computer science that I obtained with a 4.0 GPA, the fact that some lowbie scrawn thinks I'm less intelligent than he is really means so0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o little to me ... you have no idea. Literally every post you've made is some contrived scenario where your opponent somehow has mines that shoot far enough to kill your observer, or a mass of units that somehow you're unable to prevent from killing your observer. Everyone else in the past 2 pages has posted a legitimate reason why they dislike the WM, you however, just come up with some fallacious arguments as to why WMs can't possibly be countered.

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Quote (820 @ 24 Feb 2013 06:04)
You have to upgrade mines in BW.

WM are better because it lets Terran open gas without any possible punishment. Terran gas openings are undetectable and can be anything yet can't be punished which makes them far better than BWM ( BW Mines ). They're also incredibly more versatile and can be used in more than just PvT ( they were used rarely in TvT and even more scarce in TvZ ), now though, WM are combined with bio in TvZ which is nearly unstoppable.

Repositioning the WM's is incredibly good and hasn't been utilized enough, but will in the future. Right now they're used similarly to how the BWM's were, which is a far more stationary role. Once upgraded, however, they can be used as an incredibly mobile tool of your army, running into / flanking in battles to burrow near your opponents army; it's already seen quite often in TvZ but can be utilized as well in TvP.

I could list more things but the above is sufficient enough to validate that WM's > BWM's. I will just briefly mention that you can drop the WM's, they don't actually die once detonated, and can attack air.


I feel like it's a big defect of them that they cost supply, I wish them to be weaker but cost no supply.
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Feb 24 2013 06:43am
Lol.....I created this topic to talk about zergs....but now there are people fighting about widow mines... -.-

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Quote (SumoSalad @ Feb 24 2013 01:43pm)
Lol.....I created this topic to talk about zergs....but now there are people fighting about widow mines...  -.-


Zerg hate widow mine --> Terran arrives to defend their race and accuse it of not being OP ---> More Zerg´s arrive to give Terran one last chance to tell the truth instead of defending their race or they will go straight to hell after dying --> Terran still defends their race ---> GOD arrives and fucks all Terran´s mothers, especiality those who defend their race even thought they know it is OP. --> Terran cries and cuts their wrists. --> Zerg says "Fuck yeah, GOD! You´re awesome" ---> THE END!
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Feb 24 2013 08:37am
Well i dont mind seing Terrans defend their race....I remember how much zerg was defending their race during the imbafestors/brood lords/corruptor time lol especially when the whole community was raging...it was super obvious how OP zergs were even stephano said, yet zergs were defending. pretty hilarious.

so let terrans do it now.



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Quote (eyewuvd2 @ Feb 24 2013 04:13am)
well ... 820 mentioned punishable openers.  If the widowmine should be punishable, then so should the SG opener and twilight ... but this really isn't the case.  The only counters are probably blind banshee - and with the addition of the oracle detection this doesnt even counter SG anymore ... so this argument falls on deaf ears.  Protoss have had control of the early game for the entirety of WoL.


But I agree that WM in worker lines are a problem .. esp with a 1s burrow time.  However most of these qq nabs aren't talking about WM drops because they're playing in pre-school leagues.  tbh the WM drops have just started after the nerf to hellbats, lol

Vultures could drop mines just about anywhere and they were made in large quantity .. so even though WMs aren't stationary they are similar to spider mines IMO.  In my experience a windowmine doesnt get a chance to shoot many times (many being 3+) before dying



Before you were just amusing, now you're just obnoxious.  I have a degree in computer science that I obtained with a 4.0 GPA, the fact that some lowbie scrawn thinks I'm less intelligent than he is really means so0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o little to me ... you have no idea.  Literally every post you've made is some contrived scenario where your opponent somehow has mines that shoot far enough to kill your observer, or a mass of units that somehow you're unable to prevent from killing your observer.  Everyone else in the past 2 pages has posted a legitimate reason why they dislike the WM, you however, just come up with some fallacious arguments as to why WMs can't possibly be countered.


Where did I say widow mines can't be countered? I said they were a good contain unit and they are.
I said widow mines are a good contain unit, which is why I don't like the widow mine.
I never once said a widow mine has to kill the observer, I just said observer needs to die whenever it gets spotted its basic common sense.

So yes, you can't even read and comprehend simple english dumbed down to the point where a 7yearold bronze leaguer could understand so I have every right to think my self highly than you.
And no, you did not get 4.0 GPA and no, Humber/Sheridan/York/George Brown/Ryerson are community colleges not real school.
The fact that you'd even have to resort to making up lies about your real life and resorting to personal attacks (made me laugh) to back up your argument makes it pretty obvious where you're standing in this thread right now.
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