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Mar 21 2014 12:13pm
Quote (CrownPrince @ Mar 21 2014 05:06am)
Right now, the top 16 spots on ladder is taken by 10 Terran players. Normally, Terran players don’t do so well on ladder but I feel that things have gotten very serious now that there are 10 Terran players up there. When I see things like that, I feel that I’m not the only one who does badly in PvT. Widow mines have become very OP. In fact, I actually think that BW spider mines were better.
That additional damage against shield was really big. Now Protoss can’t play using a templar build order. Once Terrans realized that, they are now so much more daring. And even without all that, Terran is still too strong. It’s like WoL Brood Lord/Infestor/Corruptor level.


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Mar 21 2014 12:14pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ 21 Mar 2014 19:10)
If he holds he's on 2 base vs 2 base with few/no queens up and a low drone count.  He's not dead as fuck but I wouldn't put him in a happy situation.


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we're talking about a 1base stimpush
if it is off 2 bases then this whole arguement is really obsolete
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Mar 21 2014 01:41pm
Quote (Cpt_Ghost @ Mar 21 2014 11:14am)
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we're talking about a 1base stimpush
if it is off 2 bases then this whole arguement is really obsolete


You end up with enough minerals to throw down an expand as your push happens. Or at least if you go 3 rax with constant SCV, marine, marauder production you end up with enough to expand at about 5:45. The attack is still hitting at the same time (around 6-6:15, up to 6:25 depending on map size) as I've been talking about. If you read the post where I tested out the timings, you'll see what I mean. Zerg can (realistically) have 3 queens and 24 lings off 2 bases (and speed). Terran ends up with 4 marauders and 9 marines and an expand being built as the attack hits. And stim.

By the time the push is resolved, Terran is on 2 bases with 3 raxes of production, no cut SCVs, and stim off 1 gas. Zerg has at BEST 3 queens and 2 bases and a lower drone count (1 gas, speed). Terran is also behind on SCVs (not as much as Zerg is-12+ early larva into lings?!?), since the nat is late, but mules are pretty cool guys.
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Mar 21 2014 02:11pm
Quote (nomorepwnage @ Mar 21 2014 08:13pm)
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Mar 21 2014 02:19pm
Those Protoss players shouldn't even be near the level they are at.

They're only there because the race naturally boosts every player 1-2 leagues because it's Protoss, the forgiving race that can do anything.
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Mar 21 2014 02:36pm
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Those Protoss players shouldn't even be near the level they are at.

They're only there because the race naturally boosts every player 1-2 leagues because it's Protoss, the forgiving race that can do anything.


i literally wish you would start playing protoss
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Mar 21 2014 02:40pm
Quote (CrownPrince @ Mar 21 2014 03:36pm)
i literally wish you would start playing protoss


I have played protoss and made collosus it's really easy, don't try to make it seem difficult.
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Mar 21 2014 03:10pm
Quote (NoLimit028 @ Mar 21 2014 03:40pm)
I have played protoss and made collosus it's really easy, don't try to make it seem difficult.


while i agree with most of what you say about toss being easy (it is) - it becomes challenging later on.

when you play toss for a while, you begin to realize how dangerous a well micro'd ghost/viking/marauder army can be. good emps can just insta-lose you the game if you don't split templars ;/
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Mar 21 2014 03:14pm
Quote (Perf3ction @ Mar 21 2014 04:10pm)
while i agree with most of what you say about toss being easy (it is) - it becomes challenging later on.

when you play toss for a while, you begin to realize how dangerous a well micro'd ghost/viking/marauder army can be.  good emps can just insta-lose you the game if you don't split templars ;/


Indeed, if the other player can pull off the perfect army comp with sick EMP's while not spreading ur death ball Protoss will actually lose the game.

This post was edited by NoLimit028 on Mar 21 2014 03:16pm
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Mar 21 2014 03:17pm
Quote (NoLimit028 @ Mar 21 2014 11:14pm)
Indeed, if the other player can pull off a perfect army with sick EMP's while not spreading ur protoss death ball Protoss will actually lose the game.


please play protoss. you should be masters level then according to your previous post
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