I just tested it and I had 6 marines at 5:28.

and had my turret starting at 5:20


with microing scvs/6 marines it should be ez to hold.

oracles are rediculous T_T



one oracle can kill 6 marines can't it? lolz


Then you die to the second one



Edit: oracle can solo 5 marines, dies to 6


little t0000000000 strong imo

This post was edited by eyewuvd2 on Apr 24 2013 11:12am

You are preparing in a custom against a 10 gate knowing its coming...if I create a custom and I know some1 is 10 gating into proxy stargate then ill make a e-bay at like 4:45 or w-e and get double gas or something at 5 mins
if u made ur turret at 5:20 that means u started ur e-bay at like 4:30...that's way too soon lol, amount of minerals lost is huge and ur behind as hell if the guy isnt even going oracles

im not 100% sure if I had 4 marines or so, but anyway it takes 6 marines to kill an oracle and he had a 2nd one coming like 10 sec away which kills another 5 marines

you may have had 1 more if u went for 16 cc and super early 2nd and 3rd rax by cutting 1 marine early on and get faster production of rax #2 and #3

but I go for 18 cc and I wall of my depot to stop probe scout/possible gay shit like cannon rush which really never happens...lol but we never know

if you do a standard reaper opening you won't have 6 marines by 5:20

ie) reaper into reactor and cc

This post was edited by eyewuvd2 on Apr 24 2013 11:17am

Yeah I know ^.^ reaper takes like time of 2 marines wasted and it doesn't even hit air
Even if u go for reaper into factory, factory isnt done in time...(or the mine at least, not sure i barely do this build)

It's kinda crazy that blizzard actually wanna buff the oracle speed in the next patch...like they aren't fast enough

Well i would not mind speed buff if they lower the dps of oracles...killing 20 workers in 5 sec and 5 marines with no effort is too much lol

the unit is even a detector...



even by not making the reactor, you'd have less marines than if u did make the reactor lol.

e/ anyway the whole point of this is just too show that oracles comes out too fast and the amount of stuff u need to do to 100% prepare vs oracle cost terran too much minerals early game...

if they arent going oracle = terran massivly behind

if they go blink stalkers or w-e = you probably lose
same with immortal all ins etc...

protoss can throw too much shit at terran with their godly 1-2 base all ins while it being unscoutable if they hide their tech well unless u go reaper

and terran has no way to be aggressive early on vs protoss except mine drops...and thats not game ending lol

afk for real now im late T.T

This post was edited by Nevada on Apr 24 2013 11:24am

Yes, continue the balance discussion with Nevada, I'm sure he has many great, personal, high-level experiences to share with us from his metal league grind.

I got gas before engine.

and your not really behind with early e-bay you just crank out 1-1 way faster.

This post was edited by Thing1 on Apr 24 2013 11:27am

i have rarly lost to fast oracle because of my quick widdows my 4th widdow mine i throw right into mineral line and plant him and they 1 sshot oracle i love it

if u didnt expand u would probably hold it off with ease but im guessing being on even grounds with a protoss is unthinkable

This is just retarded.