Quote (Cpt_Ghost @ Dec 5 2012 09:08am)

muta is incredibly gay if the terran goes mech and you can surprise him when he has only like 1-2 thors.

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Dec 5 2012 08:27am)

I think the first 4-5 minutes of ZvZ where it's ling/bling vs ling/bling is the most micro intensive of any race and any MU, and then mass roach wars.
So over a long game, I would agree that ZvT APM > ZvZ APM, but in the beginning ZvZ takes the most.

Quote (nerobellum @ Dec 5 2012 09:17am)

most of my apm is from efficient mechanics, imo.

because savecam injecting is more efficient and tighter with regard to queen placement, i prefer it to backspace injecting or one queen/one hotkey because i like having 1-5 for units. one queen one hotkey can take upwards of 3 hotkeys, more often than not hindering the player to 1-4 for units, and sometimes forcing you to reach to 8, which any brood war player can tell you is the most unpleasant thing on earth.

so i use f1-4 for hatchery savecams, and i use ` for my creep line.

to be honest, i feel like it's the best and tightest way to perform zerg mechanics, and i've found it leads to lower injection gaps because it takes a little more thought, it's much harder to forget.

so, because my apm is mostly from mechanics, it's clear which matchups are the most apm-intensive for zerg.

zvz < zvp < zvt

Quote (NoLimit028 @ Dec 5 2012 10:52am)

I have 400 apm with 60% redundancy.

I could play zerg and it would be maybe 300 like you.

If zerg required micro, maybe it would take the same apm.

Quote (nerobellum @ Dec 5 2012 01:07pm)

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Quote (NoLimit028 @ Dec 5 2012 02:17pm)

Point being, neither race "requires" MORE apm.

The way I play projects a large APM number like you (so I could make the claim Protoss requires the most because I play at 350+)

but some people like WhiteRa play at like half the APM as you but plays 500% better.

Terran is just harder than Zerg and Protoss because Terran sucks, and Z + P are easy.

Quote (NoLimit028 @ Dec 5 2012 11:17am)

Point being, neither race "requires" MORE apm.

The way I play projects a large APM number like you (so I could make the claim Protoss requires the most because I play at 350+)

but some people like WhiteRa play at like half the APM as you but plays 500% better.

Terran is just harder than Zerg and Protoss because Terran sucks, and Z + P are easy.

Quote (nerobellum @ 5 Dec 2012 19:51)

tbh, the reason i like muta for zvt is because of mech.

it's very abusive to their opener and early thor phase like you mentioned, and it's also such an easy/economical transition into hive.

eh, i feel like the ling/bling early game has been more or less phased out by the shift into 15 hatch instead of 14/14. i suppose the reason it feels so micro-intensive is because if you make a small mistake you lose half your lings and get immediately allin'd from what began as normal poking/aggression.

Quote (Cpt_Ghost @ Dec 5 2012 11:30am)

I'd rape the one with a tire iron who had the idea of thors being the counter to mutalisks (worst fucking design in the whole game)

Quote (nerobellum @ 5 Dec 2012 20:45)

just make marines

http://i.imgur.com/DZb1p.png