ravager/ling is good until get a hive and can get vipers and ultralisks to counter everything

Ultralisks beat anything on the ground, lurkers can hold you in the mid game.

You have forgotten what has started this arguement in the first place, right?

i actually play hyper agressive tvz.

Okay zerg is clearly the strongest race right now, solar's zvt is ridiculously good
And liberators are op in tvp lol. I just made a really bad trade made six liberators and came back lmao

This post was edited by Cpt_Ghost on Nov 23 2015 05:42am

nope..you said terran had to play "retardedly defensive" implying they don't anymore and i pointed out why it was like that and that it's probably still like that

So main combos are ling-ravager and lurkers for early/mid. And ultra-viper for late?
How are hydras?

Zerg does not have a single bad option in ZvP. Learn to split and you're fine. Honestly even if you don't, unless you're playing vs GMs you'll win still.

i'm not sure if your reading comprehensioon is sufficient m8

My reading comprehension is fine. I'm telling you that people do things because they work. Rationalizing the idea that Zerg needs roaches->ravagers now for a typical standard ZvT by saying Terran was "the underdog race that had to play retardedly defensive against all-ins" is a dumbshit thing to do. Every race has to respond to things and bake certain units and timings into their builds so they don't die. It's part of the game. You think I want to get 5-6 queens every ZvT so I don't die to 10 hellions? You think Protoss players enjoy sending out their army in a single file line in-between some pylons just so they don't immediately lose to a ling run-by? Every race can all-in and every race has to scout and take precautions against it. You're looking at the game through a narrow looking glass that is your own playstyle. You may prefer to play out the long game, which is fine, but don't believe for a second that Terran players don't also all-in and require scouting, precaution and specific responses to deal with.

Now I've had enough of this, off with you.

Yeah, your reading comprehensin is bad. You are trying t explain things not even relevant. The whole thing started with talking about the liberator, I said they are fine in tvz and the only "problem" may be that they kinda force zerg to go for ravagers early on, to hold liberator pushes, and I said that this shouldn't really be a problem balance wise, since a similar situatioon didn't matter in hots tvz where it was zerg who forced terran into a specific playstyle too survive (Which honestly was way worse than zerg's got it right now, since zerg is the strongest race currently, and no I don't care about your excuses).
In case you wouldn't understand why it may be wrong too enforce a specific playstyle this much is that you, the one who forces that can play ahead of that, and simply counter the counter of what your opponent has assumed you would do and still have the option to do. This is why blink opens were really broken in hots. It forced terran to really commit to defense if he really wanted to hold a blink all in, but protoss could just fake it and take an exp and greed and hold it, because your opponent invested so much into defending your fake all in early on and it was really hard too identify and not to overcommit to defending, or not be committed enough.

This post was edited by Cpt_Ghost on Nov 23 2015 02:32pm