Meta is almost entirely created by the players. Game creates can influence it if certain aspects are far too prevalent(e.g. blue flame hellions at Anaheim last year) but they do not set the meta in stone. As far as the units, I don't feel there is aright or wrong answer only preferences.



Must of missed another of your posts.



Meta is almost entirely created by the players. Game creates can influence it if certain aspects are far too prevalent(e.g. blue flame hellions at Anaheim last year) but they do not set the meta in stone. As far as the units, I don't feel there is aright or wrong answer only preferences. Also the skillcap in Sc2 has not been reached, nor is it anywhere close. People are still 1aing because it works. People are focused on good builds right now and less on control and efficiency which is what we saw in BW when it first started getting big. While Sc2 does have BW to build upon, it's still it's own game, with it's own meta and only time and creativity will cause us to see matches from players like Boxer, Yellow, iloveoov and JD.

I agree Sandman, I was just disagreeing with you that SC 2 had zero gameplay issues. If you played BW and switched to SC 2. You wonder why someone can 1+a and win while in BW it was multiple battles/skirmishes. Also I just really like the units and the balance BW had at the end. I am not saying because it is not BW 2.0 it is shit. I am just saying as a SC player I really miss/like those things. Reasons why I bought SC 2.

Who could have expected that everyone would figure out the way the game can be played by now? BW took years upon years to figure out. Of course, we've had several RTS games to give us an idea of what's possible, but -- it's pretty natural that you macro up an army and try to kill the opponent. People are starting to figure out how mobility and immobility factor in. Remember the GSL finals?? Back and forth games - not one death battle. HotS units are also going to factor in more of a strategic mindset rather than "macro and attack!"

Personally I think sc2 has a bright future.. maybe it's just because of my love for the game, but I think I'll be around for a long time.

Yes, you are right too. BW took years to get to that meta. I am just saying, what if they brought BW in. And then added new units on top of that. That is the game I envisioned when I heard SC 2 was in the making. Just saying it did not come out like that, which many BW players thought. Game is fine now. I am ok with everything and pretty happy with the current results.

Too much of what people champion about broodwar was the result of buggy AI, a poor engine(by today's standards anyways) and dumb luck. Having to click each worker on a mineral patch was not hard or interesting, it was annoying, easy and tedious. Broodwar was not always multiple battles/skrimishes, for much of it's early life it was big battles that decided the game right then and there. It took years for the game you know as BW to develop. Being able to select all your units at once does allow for your average player to have an easier time but at the highest levels of play it would not matter as much. Blizzard forcing people to play a certain way is not the answer.

So I guess the only thing left to do is... keep playing the game! The results will show in time. Btw guys, this is the first time in months, maybe even a year, that I've seen everyone come together on ANYTHING. Good for you guys. We've had maybe 15 people comment on these two to three topics? We should start playing together again - host koths, etc. Maybe you guys already do play together. I dunno. I'm pretty isolated on sc2 atm. Really, though - there's not much more to argue about here. Let's start this d2jsp sc2 community back up.

Never said that it was fun/interesting but that is what made BW, BW. I am just saying I kinda feel APM is apart of SC. But with the new changes, APM is nothing now. Again read what I said. I agree with floooopy and you. BW took years, I am just saying I miss the old units. Don't tell me you don't miss the reaver and carriers/bcs actually doing something.



I was actually going to post something/thread about this. I am glad we can have a civil conversation/argument. Which has not turned into a name calling/troll/gtfo random thing.

This post was edited by eXpLegend on Oct 24 2012 02:41pm

No, that's not true. We come together plenty of times when it comes to flaming out people in our community, or complaining about OP.

This is right as well, LOL.

You fucking faggot. Stop playing your faggot ass OP race.