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May 2 2013 03:49pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ 2 May 2013 22:48)
Yeah of course you need bunkers.  And you don't protect your natural, you lift and move into your main because if you defend, you come out ahead (because you've built your CC while he's still on 1 base).  You will need to pull some SCVs and you will lose some SCVs.  But you come out ahead because your opponent has fewer probes and only 1 base.

I don't get this mentality that an all-in should be defensible without taking any significant economic losses.


Since it is with protoss, why should I accept this as the way it is?
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Since it is with protoss, why should I accept this as the way it is?


Because it isn't.
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Because it isn't.


Haha, jokes on you.
Also, I didn't even say anywhere I should defend it without any losses, but losing the game as soon as the protoss decides to do this, is a bit ridiculous, isn't it?

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Sounds pretty much like what shuttle has done, no results.

really bard, go on, do those, lose, thanks for contributing.


because he didn't "defend perfectly" you sound so stupid in this thread, defending perfectly would imply that he would win. You can't defend perfectly and lose, that's illogical.

He went FE into double gas into factory vs 1 base blink? That's not perfect, he may have built some bunkers and tried to defend but he did a terrible build. 1 rax expand into +2 rax, gas, bunker and lift ur nat to ur main, get a fact and a single tank and you hold. The blink plays PUNISH THE GREEDY SHIT TERRAN IS DOING WITH FE INTO DOUBLE GAS MINE DROPS

p.s. 4-0 shuttle in tournaments sup, how did you let a shitty b-team clarity korean advance in ur wcs

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because he didn't "defend perfectly" you sound so stupid in this thread, defending perfectly would imply that he would win. You can't defend perfectly and lose, that's illogical.

He went FE into double gas into factory vs 1 base blink? That's not perfect, he may have built some bunkers and tried to defend but he did a terrible build. 1 rax expand into +2 rax, gas, bunker and lift ur nat to ur main, get a fact and a single tank and you hold. The blink plays PUNISH THE GREEDY SHIT TERRAN IS DOING WITH FE INTO DOUBLE GAS MINE DROPS

p.s.  4-0 shuttle in tournaments sup


Oh funny, that's what I said to do.

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Haha, jokes on you.
Also, I didn't even say anywhere I should defend it without any losses, but losing the game as soon as the protoss decides to do this, is a bit ridiculous, isn't it?


Build order losses are a part of the game. But it wasn't just that the Protoss decided to do a build, it's that the Protoss decided to do a specific build and the Terran decided to do a specific build. Both players are part of the equation.

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because he didn't "defend perfectly" you sound so stupid in this thread, defending perfectly would imply that he would win. You can't defend perfectly and lose, that's illogical.

He went FE into double gas into factory vs 1 base blink? That's not perfect, he may have built some bunkers and tried to defend but he did a terrible build. 1 rax expand into +2 rax, gas, bunker and lift ur nat to ur main, get a fact and a single tank and you hold. The blink plays PUNISH THE GREEDY SHIT TERRAN IS DOING WITH FE INTO DOUBLE GAS MINE DROPS


Perfectly = he couldn't have done any better from the situation he was in. There is way too many possibilities for protoss to come out with dumb shit you'll have to hold, it's fucking gamble what terrans do with that. You are fucking forcing things out of terran just by ENTERING THE FUCKING GAME, while you can freely chose techpaths you wish to go on, terran cannot depending on your logics. Fuck yeah, that's how it should look, totally.
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Perfectly = he couldn't have done any better from the situation he was in. There is way too many possibilities for protoss to come out with dumb shit you'll have to hold, it's fucking gamble what terrans do with that. You are fucking forcing things out of terran just by ENTERING THE FUCKING GAME, while you can freely chose techpaths you wish to go on, terran cannot depending on your logics. Fuck yeah, that's how it should look, totally.


thats starcraft, get used to it

you can defend 6 pool perfectly after going nexus first


...you're still going to lose
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May 2 2013 03:55pm
Hey look, Levente is crying about the game again and thinks his race takes more skill than everyone elses. Why do people feed this clown? he's not smart enough to change his mind or gain perspective.
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Oh funny, that's what I said to do.


This was terrible in wings, it's still terrible. The only difference is we get mothership core to scout high ground if we want to do without robo. It doesn't change anything though, the mothership core is 100/100 so you're saving a whopping 100/75 on the robo and observer and the timing is still the same so the money you save can't even build a stalker.

The reason it's working now is because Terran are doing shit like CC first into double gas factory into mine drops off 1 rax. The blink all in is what it sounds like, an all in. If Terran scouts halfway decently they can make the decision to NOT go double gas after the expand and then they win.

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Hey look, Levente is crying about the game again and thinks his race takes more skill than everyone elses. Why do people feed this clown? he's not smart enough to change his mind or gain perspective.


actually playing better random than you do aryc, yet you behave like you know everything, nope.
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