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Apr 23 2013 05:48am
Quote (Tommyvv @ Apr 23 2013 11:47am)
thx!

1.35apm sounds low

but the 250+apm showed after the game is a fake number
i am talking of the posibility of a 250+AMP game when afk 1+hour
and the 1.35apm per larve, also needs great timing, so its not just a ezz action
and 3queens makes that a total of 1.35apm per larve*5.333larve per queen per min*3queens = 64AMP = 1action every second to upkeep 3queen injects


yes, i used to have 2+queens and inject shitloads
but after teoriecraft my larve-spam, i only build queens for creep spread,  and sometimes as a secondary option it will inject a little, only 1/10  of the time


i don't know.. after playing xxxxx games with zerg you get the 44.44 seconds between injects pretty much right

like, just because of my experience i inject my shit every 45 seconds .. it's just practice you know
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Apr 23 2013 06:13am
Quote (dwalk1989 @ Apr 23 2013 10:12am)
hatcheries can only generate a maximum of 3 larva

having queens allows you to have significantly more larva per hatchery and their ability to defend and spread creep is critical


inject larve = stop hatchery larve production, untill larve is used

so, 46%more miniral cost per larve spam if not use queen inject
the benefit from queen is lost, if have a x second inject delay
x = ...



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hatchery = 1larve per 15sec for 350miniral costs = 87.5miniral cost and 0APM for 1 larve spam per 1 min
4larve per 44.44sec for 175minirals incl food for queen = 32.4miniral cost per larve inject for queen



asume you have a delay of 10seconds at normal game speed (5sec fast game)
hatchery larve cost increases, 54.44/44.44*87.5 = 107,2miniral cost per larve per min from hatchery instead of 87.5 couse inject larve have a 10sec delay

4larve per 54.44sec from queen for 175minirals = 39.7miniral cost per larve from queen

avaraged out that makes (39.7+107.2)/2=73.45 miniral cost per larve spam per 1 min, from 1hatchery and 1 queen
thats 19%more minirals needed if only create larve from hatchery
so +/- would mean if you have a inject-delay of 14sec as avarage over the full game (7sec fast game speed) you completly undo the cost benefits of inject-larve

thats in consideration that you also stop build units in this 14sec inject-delay
and that if you use hatchery only, you create 1 unit every 15sec, or 3units every 45sec, whitout delays stopping hatchery larve production

so if use a perfectly timed larve inject, you should inject and build 4 units all asap after you get the 4larve from previus injections, whitout stopping down hatchery-larve production

e/
There can be a maximum of 19 Larva on one Hatchery. Additional Larva produced at that Hatchery instantly die.

This post was edited by Tommyvv on Apr 23 2013 06:14am
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Apr 23 2013 08:44am
Im terrible but I just set all my injecting queens to one control group.

Shift+V spacebar click spacebar click spacebar click, its nice because if my APM is needed elsewhere i can inject all my hacths in half a second
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Apr 23 2013 09:15am
Quote (Qujibo @ Apr 23 2013 09:44am)
Im terrible but I just set all my injecting queens to one control group.

Shift+V spacebar click spacebar click spacebar click, its nice because if my APM is needed elsewhere i can inject all my hacths in half a second


I really just need to start doing this.
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Apr 23 2013 09:00pm
Quote (NoLimit028 @ Apr 23 2013 07:15am)
I really just need to start doing this.


it's good to have it bound if you need to inject in a hurry, but overall it's way too sloppy to be your go-to inject tbh
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Apr 24 2013 10:28am
Quote (NoLimit028 @ Apr 23 2013 04:15pm)
I really just need to start doing this.


Quote (Nereaux @ Apr 24 2013 04:00am)
it's good to have it bound if you need to inject in a hurry, but overall it's way too sloppy to be your go-to inject tbh


as I stated before, this style IS faster than the 55/66/77 or the camera hotkey one, BUT for me it didn't work when I tried it for a week, BECAUSE in case you have 3 queens and 4 bases for example, this technique leaves your queens running around the map helplessly

so you'll end up looking for them like all the time over the map.. >.< no fun i can tell you
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