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Dec 3 2012 06:51am
Quote (TaY_VaNo @ Dec 3 2012 12:39pm)
well all your points are mostly things you got to improve by urself, injecting etc.

here are some scouting informations:

vs zerg:
- put an overlord behind his mineral line at the natural to see how many drones he got, if he doesnt build any get banelings/spine crawlers up.
- try at 6:30 to sneak in his base with a few lings, if you see 4 gases taken and lair upgrading he goes mutas, if he got only 2 gases he gonna roach.
- if ling scout was denied send overseer at ~7min

vs Toss:
- Send first overlord to his natural, if he doesnt ffe keep scouting with lings, if he makes a sentry he gonna take the natural and probably plays a 7-8min push with mass sentries
- if hes goes ffe send your first overlord to his gases at the natural, get your second overlord ready to scout at 7min his main. if he didnt take 4gases at 6:30 he prolly plays 7gate so get your roach warren asap, if he takes the 4 gases its gonna be robo or stargate play, scout his main at 7min to see if he build 3 gates or 6. 6gates = immo allin 3gates= 3rd

vs terra:
- scout his main at 6:00 to see if he gonna plays banchee or not, if he harras with helions its mostly gonna be banchee play anyway
- be always active with lings, get mapcontrol etc to see whats coming. once u lose mapcontrol to terra u lose the game


thanks for the info, the protoss one i think is important for me to remember
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Dec 3 2012 12:52pm
Further note for ZvT: if you see banshees, it's 90% of the time mech and you should throw down a roach warren instantly.
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Dec 3 2012 12:54pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Dec 3 2012 01:52pm)
Further note for ZvT:  if you see banshees, it's 90% of the time mech and you should throw down a roach warren instantly.


you're completely wrong...

every time you see a hellion banshee opener, it's mech??
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Dec 3 2012 12:57pm
Quote (Floooopy @ Dec 3 2012 11:54am)
you're completely wrong...

every time you see a hellion banshee opener, it's mech??


Most of the time. I don't see people go bio after opening hellion banshee...if they want to go bio it's generally just a hellion opener.
Either way, the response I propose costs 150 minerals and makes it so much easier to fend off any early mech play when the push comes...because you won't stop mech with lings.
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Dec 3 2012 01:05pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Dec 3 2012 07:57pm)
Most of the time.  I don't see people go bio after opening hellion banshee...if they want to go bio it's generally just a hellion opener.
Either way, the response I propose costs 150 minerals and makes it so much easier to fend off any early mech play when the push comes...because you won't stop mech with lings.


its often mech opener but not 90%

This post was edited by TaY_VaNo on Dec 3 2012 01:07pm
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Dec 3 2012 01:09pm
Quote (TaY_VaNo @ Dec 3 2012 12:05pm)
its often mech opener but not 90%


The correlation between a hellion banshee opener and mech play is sufficiently high to warrant a 150 mineral investment in a preemptive roach warren. Happy now?
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Dec 3 2012 01:15pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ 3 Dec 2012 20:09)
The correlation between a hellion banshee opener and mech play is sufficiently high to warrant a 150 mineral investment in a preemptive roach warren.  Happy now?


banshee hellion open is just as often tankmarine as often mech it is, just switching addons all aroun yo
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Dec 3 2012 02:13pm
roach warren is definitely a worthy investment to secure the third with while you get map control with lings

80% of these terran do some kind of hellion bancheese to deny third / creep anyway
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Dec 3 2012 02:20pm
Quote (Cpt_Ghost @ Dec 3 2012 12:15pm)
banshee hellion open is just as often tankmarine as often mech it is, just switching addons all aroun yo


I don't often see hellion banshee openings with tank marine...starport production is usually reserved for medivacs.
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Dec 5 2012 09:49am
I think i should finally look up on some standard build orders, and maybe change them a little to my fancies.
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