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Jan 27 2014 10:40am
Quote (crazysmoker92 @ 27 Jan 2014 17:34)
He won 1 event mate... ever

http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/556/lee-shin-hyung

its about 6 months ago he did anything note worthy :o)


the arguement of terran being a piece of shit still fends this off
if terran wouldn't be such a shit he'd win
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Jan 27 2014 04:03pm
Quote (Cpt_Ghost @ Jan 27 2014 09:40am)
the arguement of terran being a piece of shit still fends this off
if terran wouldn't be such a shit he'd win


If Protoss wasn't such a piece of shit Protoss players would win every tournament, they are just so much more talented than the rest of the competition and it's really only the race that is holding them back.

See how valid that argument is? Yours holds exactly as much water.
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Jan 27 2014 04:11pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Jan 27 2014 05:03pm)
If Protoss wasn't such a piece of shit Protoss players would win every tournament, they are just so much more talented than the rest of the competition and it's really only the race that is holding them back.

See how valid that argument is?  Yours holds exactly as much water.


thats actually exactly what terrans used to say when GSL had 14 terrans every ro16 for years
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Jan 27 2014 04:21pm
Quote (dwalk1989 @ Jan 27 2014 05:11pm)
thats actually exactly what terrans used to say when GSL had 14 terrans every ro16 for years


It's still true, Protoss players aren't near the skill of any terran / zerg.

Protoss is just designed for retards.
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Jan 27 2014 04:46pm
Quote (dwalk1989 @ Jan 27 2014 03:11pm)
thats actually exactly what terrans used to say when GSL had 14 terrans every ro16 for years


Wow, it's almost as if I had a reason for making that post, huh?
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Jan 27 2014 05:31pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Jan 26 2014 09:33am)
To an extent, yes.  And there are a lot of variables to be considered, like player skill.  But if you set up a basic statistics approximation, using the standard alpha of .05, you can get a good feel for the numbers.

Let's define a binomial variable, K.  K is the probability that a randomly selected player in the GSL is of our target race--we'll do one for the 5 Protoss, and one for the 3 Terran.

Assuming that the number of players of each race is approximately equal, and that all players are approximately equally skilled, the probability that a randomly selected player will be our target race is .33 (3 races, 1 target race = 1/3).

Since there are 32 players in the GSL, this gives us a standard deviation of (pqn)^1/2, or (.33 * .66 * 32) ^ 1/2 = 2.64, and a mean of .33 * 32 = 10.56.

To find the likelihood of having 5 players of the target race in the GSL, we'll use a standard Z test.
Z = (A - M)/SD, actual minus mean divided by standard deviation.  For the Protoss example, it's

(5-10.56)/2.64 = -2.11 = Z

Then you go plug your Z score into a handy dandy calculator, or look it up on a chart, and you'll find that the probability of having 5 or fewer Protoss players in our simulation is p = .017.  Since p < alpha, we conclude that, if there is an equal player distribution and everyone is equally skilled, Protoss was underpowered.

A similar case can be made for the Terran situation, and since the  number is even smaller I can safely say that the odds are even lower.  So currently, one could make the claim that Terran is underpowered within the professional scene.


Mfw you can't objectively know that all players are equal skill, hence your "math" fails to be of any relevance.
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Jan 27 2014 05:35pm
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Mfw you can't objectively know that all players are equal skill, hence your "math" fails to be of any relevance.


I don't think you understand what bard was trying to say.
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Jan 27 2014 05:37pm
Quote (coLstory @ Jan 27 2014 04:31pm)
Mfw you can't objectively know that all players are equal skill, hence your "math" fails to be of any relevance.


Assumptions have to be made in order to make any approximation work. I'm pretty sure I said multiple times that any conclusions I drew were contingent on those assumptions. They are still of some validity as an approximation, and given the p score for having 3 people out of 30, it isn't a stretch to say that something is up.
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Jan 27 2014 05:38pm
Quote (coLstory @ Jan 27 2014 04:31pm)
Mfw you can't objectively know that all players are equal skill, hence your "math" fails to be of any relevance.


Thanks for stating what he already did. Could you please reiterate something again and show us your vast knowledge of the painfully obvious?
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Jan 27 2014 06:08pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Jan 28 2014 08:37am)
Assumptions have to be made in order to make any approximation work.  I'm pretty sure I said multiple times that any conclusions I drew were contingent on those assumptions.  They are still of some validity as an approximation, and given the p score for having 3 people out of 30, it isn't a stretch to say that something is up.


Nobody asked you to do work, making any assumptions to find a mean number of each race is silly - so what was the point of your post? Truthfully, nothing is up, this has happened countless times beforehand, wait until next GSL season, the numbers won't repeat themselves.

This post was edited by coLstory on Jan 27 2014 06:14pm
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