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Quote (BardOfXiix @ 2 May 2013 22:36)
As you should have to.  You picked a greedy opening (FE) and your opponent is attempting to punish you for it.


As protoss you can be as greedy as you want
you won't get punished, you can hold barely anything with your fucking dick
seems balanced to me.
It'd be totally okay if i could get punished for being greedy if I had any other choices, not fucking suiciding with 1 base shit against protoss, that is what makes this whole situation utterly retarded.

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Quote (BardOfXiix @ May 2 2013 05:27pm)
It was a fine solution in WoL.  I do not see how the addition of a msc makes this response to the specific build weaker.


because the allin hits faster when they dont need a robo, not sure if serious
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Quote (lovestory @ May 2 2013 02:39pm)
oloooooooooooooooooooolo


What do you believe the optimal opening to stop a blink 4g is?
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it was never a _fine_ solution, it could be held, but you still had to sweat blood.


I wonder how many times have you seen it.


wouldnt protoss players do this 100% of the time if it worked so effectively? im sure if you told Shuttle that he prepared perfectly he would call you an idiot
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Quote (Cpt_Ghost @ 2 May 2013 22:40)
As protoss you can be as greedy as you want
you won't get punished, you can hold barely anything with your fucking dick
seems balanced to me.
It'd be totally okay if i could get punished for being greedy if I had any other choices, not fucking suiciding with 1 base shit against protoss, that is what makes this whole situation utterly retarded.


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Quote (Kamachi @ 2 May 2013 22:40)
because the allin hits faster when they dont need a robo, not sure if serious


didn't want to point this out, bard seems to be tired or something.
Quote (dwalk1989 @ 2 May 2013 22:41)
wouldnt protoss players do this 100% of the time if it worked so effectively? im sure if you told Shuttle that he prepared perfectly he would call you an idiot


I'm pretty sure he wasn't blaming HIMSELF for that loss.
/also, autistic protoss players not realizing how good their race is, is pretty standard.

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Quote (Cpt_Ghost @ May 2 2013 02:40pm)
As protoss you can be as greedy as you want
you won't get punished, you can hold barely anything with your fucking dick
seems balanced to me.


There are lots of 1 base builds Terran players can do to punish greedy Protoss players (3 rax, 8-8-8, proxy rax builds, marauder pressure, bunker rush @ natural, etc).

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because the allin hits faster when they dont need a robo, not sure if serious


Yes, it hits faster, but the bio force is still more than enough to combat the stalkers. As opposed to the marginal number of tanks you'll have out which won't be very effective against highly mobile stalkers.
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Quote (BardOfXiix @ May 2 2013 01:40pm)
What do you believe the optimal opening to stop a blink 4g is?


lift cc in base, defend with any unit composition you want, win

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Quote (lovestory @ 2 May 2013 22:44)
lift cc in base, defend, win


Sounds pretty much like what shuttle has done, no results.
Quote (BardOfXiix @ 2 May 2013 22:43)
There are lots of 1 base builds Terran players can do to punish greedy Protoss players (3 rax, 8-8-8, proxy rax builds, marauder pressure, bunker rush @ natural, etc).



Yes, it hits faster, but the bio force is still more than enough to combat the stalkers.  As opposed to the marginal number of tanks you'll have out which won't be very effective against highly mobile stalkers.


really bard, go on, do those, lose, thanks for contributing.
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Quote (BardOfXiix @ May 2 2013 05:43pm)
Yes, it hits faster, but the bio force is still more than enough to combat the stalkers.  As opposed to the marginal number of tanks you'll have out which won't be very effective against highly mobile stalkers.


it isn't. you will have to pull half your scvs to defend (and lose alot of them) or have bunkers near your cliffs, production, natural, etc with scvs to repair

Quote (dwalk1989 @ May 2 2013 05:41pm)
wouldnt protoss players do this 100% of the time if it worked so effectively? im sure if you told Shuttle that he prepared perfectly he would call you an idiot


if every map was star station, probably. i dont see any protoss dumb enough to try it on whirlwind for example


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Quote (Kamachi @ May 2 2013 02:46pm)
it isn't. you will have to pull half your scvs to defend (and lose alot of them) or have bunkers near your cliffs, production, natural, etc with scvs to repair


Yeah of course you need bunkers. And you don't protect your natural, you lift and move into your main because if you defend, you come out ahead (because you've built your CC while he's still on 1 base). You will need to pull some SCVs and you will lose some SCVs. But you come out ahead because your opponent has fewer probes and only 1 base.

I don't get this mentality that an all-in should be defensible without taking any significant economic losses.
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