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Apr 28 2013 12:56am
Quote (Perf3ction @ Apr 27 2013 04:04pm)
im not crying - im just saying i think zerg is the #1 race in starcraft 2.


somehow, despite how 'UP' they are, they just seem to win a bunch of tournies!


That's because the elite Zerg players are skillful and did not build their dominance on the infestor. It was not a mainstay in the play of Life or Leenock, stylistically. Patch Zergs are struggling because the race is weaker, but players who actually understand the race are having plenty of success because they played Zerg, not infestor brood afk.
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Apr 28 2013 01:17am
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That's because the elite Zerg players are skillful and did not build their dominance on the infestor.  It was not a mainstay in the play of Life or Leenock, stylistically.  Patch Zergs are struggling because the race is weaker, but players who actually understand the race are having plenty of success because they played Zerg, not infestor brood afk.


mutas were buffed, ultras were buffed, hydras were buffed.

the race is weaker? ROFL. the metagame in pvz relies on switching between the above mentioned 3 units, as all of them have been heavily buffed.


dont say rubbish like zerg is weaker, please :rofl: . The only difference I see is that newb 1a zergs will die to mines, that's IT.
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Apr 28 2013 01:23am
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mutas were buffed, ultras were buffed, hydras were buffed.

the race is weaker? ROFL.  the metagame in pvz relies on switching between the above mentioned 3 units, as all of them have been heavily buffed.


dont say rubbish like zerg is weaker, please :rofl: .  The only difference I see is that newb 1a zergs will die to mines, that's IT.


naniwa beat jaedong

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Apr 28 2013 01:27am
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naniwa beat jaedong

http://i.imgur.com/PRsqxCI.gif


i enjoyed that game :rofl:
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Apr 28 2013 01:29am
Quote (Perf3ction @ Apr 28 2013 12:17am)
mutas were buffed, ultras were buffed, hydras were buffed.

the race is weaker? ROFL.  the metagame in pvz relies on switching between the above mentioned 3 units, as all of them have been heavily buffed.


dont say rubbish like zerg is weaker, please :rofl: .  The only difference I see is that newb 1a zergs will die to mines, that's IT.


Yes, because clearly phoenix don't beat mutas, colossi/zealots don't beat hydras. Void ray charge on demand, mothership core...man, my heart just bleeds for you and all the great strong units your race missed out on.

Oh wait, no, all three races got buffs from WoL. Well there goes your argument D:
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Apr 28 2013 01:47am
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Yes, because clearly phoenix don't beat mutas, colossi/zealots don't beat hydras.  Void ray charge on demand, mothership core...man, my heart just bleeds for you and all the great strong units your race missed out on.

Oh wait, no, all three races got buffs from WoL.  Well there goes your argument D:


zerg got better buffs imo.

i believe phoenix got +1 range by default? not sure on this. but mutas have WAY more tank now AND GOT A SPEED BUFF LOL. mutas are also so ridiculous that zvz has become imbalanced because of them hahahahah. zvz = muta vs muta, i turn that shit off.

ultras went from 'useless' to completely viable and almost REGULAR in almost every game i watch/play.

hydras fucking own lol.

yay, i can press E and vaporize corrupters. INB4 VOID RAYS GET NERFED





i miss vortex :cry:

and vipers...yeah.

This post was edited by Perf3ction on Apr 28 2013 02:14am
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Apr 28 2013 02:33am
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Yes, because clearly phoenix don't beat mutas, colossi/zealots don't beat hydras.  Void ray charge on demand, mothership core...man, my heart just bleeds for you and all the great strong units your race missed out on.

Oh wait, no, all three races got buffs from WoL.  Well there goes your argument D:

The problem isn't with the units themselves, but the flexibility of zerg macro, like with protoss or terran you need to build up your tech switches with making production buildings, etc. With zerg, in one moment, you are spamming hydras, wich for example needs colossus to be dealt with, and in the other second you are producing 40 mutalisks AT ONCE
FUCKING
AT
ONCE
and all you have done, is throwing down a spire
???????????????
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The problem isn't with the units themselves, but the flexibility of zerg macro, like with protoss or terran you need to build up your tech switches with making production buildings, etc. With zerg, in one moment, you are spamming hydras, wich for example needs colossus to be dealt with, and in the other second you are producing 40 mutalisks AT ONCE
FUCKING
AT
ONCE
and all you have done, is throwing down a spire
???????????????


And while Zerg can do that, Protoss can easily go VR/Colossi/zealot, which stomps anything not named mass muta, and if you see mass muta you add phoenix and rape the Zerg. The thing is that Zerg is limited by the high gas cost of its units in terms of tech switching--hydra switches are relatively easy to deal with, as most mid-game armies can kill hydras effectively. The muta transition can be problematic, but if you kill the mutas Zerg loses so much gas that it will be a long time before they can build up a high tier army, giving you ample time to press your advantage against a remax that will be hydra-based.

Anticipate switches, prepare for mutas and scout well. Zerg's flexibility and mobility are some of their few strengths.
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Apr 28 2013 02:39am
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And while Zerg can do that, Protoss can easily go VR/Colossi/zealot, which stomps anything not named mass muta, and if you see mass muta you add phoenix and rape the Zerg.  The thing is that Zerg is limited by the high gas cost of its units in terms of tech switching--hydra switches are relatively easy to deal with, as most mid-game armies can kill hydras effectively.  The muta transition can be problematic, but if you kill the mutas Zerg loses so much gas that it will be a long time before they can build up a high tier army, giving you ample time to press your advantage against a remax that will be hydra-based.

Anticipate switches, prepare for mutas and scout well.  Zerg's flexibility and mobility are some of their few strengths.


Naniwa is sure fucking retarded, and plays terrible, and that's why leenock could pull out such a hilarious game on akilon wastes, you are right.
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Apr 28 2013 02:41am
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Naniwa is sure fucking retarded, and plays terrible, and that's why leenock could pull out such a hilarious game on akilon wastes, you are right.


Clearly that is exactly what I said.
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