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Jan 2 2013 03:25pm
Quote (820 @ 2 Jan 2013 21:52)
cuz making heroin and meth illegal really stopped people from using them!

cuz making heroin and meth illegal really stopped people from using them and got them off the streets ezpzdoh


if heroin and meth would be legal and would be easy to get, a lot more people would try it out and do it, it is about reducing the chances of bad things happening. If it is not legal, and cannot just buy it anywhere he wants, he will have to go after it, contact people and stuff, and has a bigger chance of retracting before actually doing anything.
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Jan 2 2013 04:02pm
Quote (820 @ Jan 2 2013 10:52pm)
cuz making heroin and meth illegal really stopped people from using them!

cuz making heroin and meth illegal really stopped people from using them and got them off the streets ezpzdoh


no, but it reduces it heavily...
actually i dont care whats up with the weapon laws in america, but it is still weird that america has by far the most deaths by weapons for an developed country
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Jan 2 2013 04:05pm
Quote (Cpt_Ghost @ Jan 2 2013 01:25pm)
if heroin and meth would be legal and would be easy to get, a lot more people would try it out and do it, it is about reducing the chances of bad things happening. If it is not legal, and cannot just buy it anywhere he wants, he will have to go after it, contact people and stuff, and has a bigger chance of retracting before actually doing anything.


People who want to use drugs are going to use them regardless of the legality.
People who want to shoot children in a school are going to do so whether or not using a gun is legal.

Look at what the prohibition did to crime, making guns illegal would probably spark a civil war and if it didn't organized crime would sky rocket.

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The following are statistics detailing how much worse crime got:

        Police funding: INCREASED $11.4 Million
        Arrests for Prohibition Las Violations: INCREASED 102+%
        Arrests for Drunkenness and Disorderly Conduct: INCREASED 41%
        Arrests of Drunken Drivers: INCREASED 81%
        Thefts and Burglaries: INCREASED 9%
        Homicides, Assault, and Battery: INCREASED 13%
        Number of Federal Convicts: INCREASED 561%
        Federal Prison Population: INCREASED 366%
        Total Federal Expenditures on Penal Institutions: INCREASED 1,000%


"Not only did the number of serious crimes increase, but crime became organized. Criminal groups organize around the steady source of income provided by laws against victimless crimes such as consuming alcohol or drugs, gambling and prostitution. In the process of providing goods and services those criminal organizations resort to real crimes in defense of sales territories, brand names, and labor contracts. That is true of extensive crime syndicates (the Mafia) as well as street gangs, a criminal element that first surfaced during prohibition."

"The contributing factor to the sudden increase of felonies was the organization of crime, especially in large cities. Because liquor was no longer legally available, the public turned to gangsters who readily took on the bootlegging industry and supplied them with liquor. On account of the industry being so profitable, more gangsters became involved in the money-making business. Crime became so organized because "criminal groups organize around the steady source of income provided by laws against victimless crimes such as consuming alcohol. As a result of the money involved in the bootlegging industry, there was much rival between gangs. The profit motive caused over four hundred gang related murders a year in Chicago alone."

Bootleg alcohol is what fueled the work of Organized crime. Most of the men involved in the Mafia or gangs were young immigrants. The business of bootleg alcohol was highly profitable for everyone involved which often fueled the Mafia or gang wars. By the late 1920's more than 1 million gallons of bootleg liquor had been illegally brought into the United States. Most of the alcohol came in either through Canada or from ships that were located just beyond U.S. waters. See Coast Guard Pictures during the Prohibition Era. However, there was alcohol being produced legally in the United States that was also being bootlegged. Most of the alcohol being produced for use in manufacture often ended up being bootlegged. We will look more at bootleg alcohol, speakeasies and other forms of illegal alcohol as we look at life for the average American.
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Jan 2 2013 04:09pm
Quote (820 @ Jan 3 2013 12:05am)
People who want to use drugs are going to use them regardless of the legality.
People who want to shoot children in a school are going to do so whether or not using a gun is legal.

Look at what the prohibition did to crime, making guns illegal would probably spark a civil war and if it didn't organized crime would sky rocket.


and if specific drugs wouldnt be illegal, much more people would consume it.
i dont get why people leave out that the way of acquisition doesnt have any influence because it has an huge impact of whether u get something or not
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Jan 2 2013 04:15pm
Quote (Kurdisch_styler @ Jan 2 2013 02:09pm)
and if specific drugs wouldnt be illegal, much more people would consume it.
i dont get why people leave out that the way of acquisition doesnt have any influence because it has an huge impact of whether u get something or not


That's not true though, just because it's legal doesn't mean more people are going to do it. And honestly if the people who aren't doing heroin are not doing it simply because it's illegal then they will probably be responsible while doing it. The people who have guns now and wouldn't if they were illegal aren't the ones shooting up schools. Making guns illegal just takes them from the people who aren't abusing them, employs criminal gun sales and organized crime, and does nothing to stop violent gun crimes.

The USA is incredibly populated so comparing gun control laws, or drug control laws, is a little skewed; I know. But it isn't as black&white as people try to make it out to be. For example;


What would you draw from those numbers?

This post was edited by 820 on Jan 2 2013 04:19pm
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Jan 2 2013 04:20pm
I've never seen such a derailed thread.
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Jan 2 2013 04:21pm
Quote (820 @ Jan 3 2013 12:15am)
That's not true though, just because it's legal doesn't mean more people are going to do it. And honestly if the people who aren't doing heroin are not doing it simply because it's illegal then they will probably be responsible while doing it. The people who have guns now and wouldn't if they were illegal aren't the ones shooting up schools. Making guns illegal just takes them from the people who aren't abusing them, employs criminal gun sales and organized crime, and does nothing to stop violent gun crimes.


so, u really think that there wouldnt be more people consuming cocaine if it wouldnt be illegal for example?
the seduction of using or doing something is always higher if it is easier accessible
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Jan 2 2013 04:25pm
Quote (Kurdisch_styler @ Jan 2 2013 02:21pm)
so, u really think that there wouldnt be more people consuming cocaine if it wouldnt be illegal for example?
the seduction of using or doing something is always higher if it is easier accessible


I already answered that in what you quoted. I think the numbers would be very small and like I said, the people who aren't doing something because it's illegal probably aren't going to be a problem. I think that if you're going to have alcohol and weed legalized then why is there even a line? Why does the government tell us what we can and can't do? Why are they drawing the line for us? It's okay for me to get drunk or high but only on the substances they deem appropriate?

The arguments are so idiotic too, bringing up crime rate in itself is stupid. If everything were legalized we'd have no crime, right? So technically making guns illegal will increase crime, will put more people in jail, and cost more money; even though gun murder is at it's lowest rate since 1981 and gun ownership is higher.
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Jan 2 2013 04:31pm
Haven't read much, but you can't argue with 820, he's the ultimate internet 'one-upper'.
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Jan 2 2013 05:04pm
Quote (NoLimit028 @ Jan 2 2013 03:31pm)
Haven't read much, but you can't argue with 820, he's the ultimate internet 'one-upper'.


I argue with him all the time...
I just don't have the patience to read this thread lol.
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