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Feb 5 2012 02:54am
Quote (Pk_Dibbun @ Feb 4 2012 05:21pm)
BRB USING my 35 WARPGATES ALL AT ONCE DURING A BIG BATTLE.

270 SUPPLY? NP.


it takes 6 probes income to generate 1 warp gate.

35 warpgates would take 210 probes.

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Feb 5 2012 03:05am
Quote (josephcraig @ Feb 5 2012 01:54am)
it takes 6 probes income to generate 1 warp gate.

35 warpgates would take 210 probes.


or you're maxed and have money getting saved up.

or you're in bronze and warp in once every 5 cycles on 2 base and can afford 35 warp ins.
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Quote (Mikhail @ Feb 5 2012 02:05am)
or you're maxed and have money getting saved up.

or you're in bronze and warp in once every 5 cycles on 2 base and can afford 35 warp ins.


Well I'm going to say whatever every other person says in this situation.

Don't let the protoss player get to that point

And at this point in the game the terran should have so many OC's that he doesn't even need scvs besides the ones mining gas. and you can also have shit tons of rax with reactors pumping out tons of rines every 25s or mass vikings to deal with any colosi
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Feb 5 2012 03:19am
Quote (josephcraig @ Feb 5 2012 01:15am)
Well I'm going to say whatever every other person says in this situation.

Don't let the protoss player get to that point

And at this point in the game the terran should have so many OC's that he doesn't even need scvs besides the ones mining gas. and you can also have shit tons of rax with reactors pumping out tons of rines every 25s or mass vikings to deal with any colosi


even if u have that amount of income
see avenge vs ogs's 3 terrans in the last team league battle, all macro games, late games in P favor
nada/thestc/fin got ak'ed
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Feb 5 2012 04:08am
Quote (gEckoStar @ Feb 5 2012 02:19am)
even if u have that amount of income
see avenge vs ogs's 3 terrans in the last team league battle, all macro games, late games in P favor
nada/thestc/fin got ak'ed


Well I didn't see those games, but I'm just going to say without even seeing them that the Protoss player probably had a huge variety of units and the Terran kept to a few and only got upgrades for maybe 2 types of units. My guess with be ground 3/3 and air +3 for vikings. And the Terran probably didn't use a raven with PPD and Ghosts at the same time that the Protoss was using sentries and High templars.

People keep crying about chargelots being OP late game. Well BF hellions wreck chargelots and those are the first thing to get hit. so some kite micro with hellions will tear down the zlots then drop a ppd and the stalkers won't be able to shoot down vikings fast enough with their shots being knocked down. Then ghosts emp high templars and any of the rest of the army and the protoss players army is not squishy as zerg but able to reproduce half as fast as zerg. I understand that all that I just mentioned requires a lot of APM but the pros should be able to execute these plays.

Otherwise they are only at the level because Terran is OP and have been carried there based on their terrible 2 base all-ins
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Feb 5 2012 04:42am
Protoss, the race that can't win until 40 minute mark.
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Feb 5 2012 07:05am
Quote (gEckoStar @ Feb 5 2012 12:48am)
http://i.imgur.com/8Wfcc.png


almost 70% win rate before 20 minutes. seems balanced.

Not really a valid way to bring any sort of balance issues around. This data suggests terran is much stronger in the early mid game, and as such you should aim to do enouh damage so as to mitigate the strength of the other race after20 minutes.

This really isnt news. Everyone knows sc2 is balanced around certain units being far stronger than they should be. F.E colossus, terran bio, etc. Its balance through overpowered units cancelling eachother out.
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Feb 5 2012 07:11am
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Feb 5 2012 12:16am)
Yeah.  Data over all of last season's GSL would be good.


i dont think that its valid, i know that sound biased, but there are better korean terrans than zerg/protoss.
it was the same in broodwar
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Feb 5 2012 07:19am
Quote (AemKei @ Feb 5 2012 02:11pm)
i dont think that its valid, i know that sound biased, but there are better korean terrans than zerg/protoss.
it was the same in broodwar


you're implying that theres some kind of mystical force that makes the better players choose terran, that isnt balance related?
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Feb 5 2012 07:24am
Quote (silentdeathz @ Feb 5 2012 01:19pm)
you're implying that theres some kind of mystical force that makes the better players choose terran, that isnt balance related?


i just think that terran is more popular in korea which results in more better terran players.
people always refer to the gsl saying terran is op because they win most of the championchips.

but they also did in broodwar with an absurd dominance in comparison to protoss

This post was edited by AemKei on Feb 5 2012 07:27am
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