Quote (crazysmoker92 @ Nov 9 2012 01:25pm)

i usually counter immortal allin with a really strong counter attack. doing good economical damage, and stalling his attack So he can't really warp in as much as he would like to.

Quote (820 @ Nov 9 2012 01:20pm)

Pure ling into infestor can stop the Immortal push depending on when you go lings, like the best way to just crush it is to have lings out when they push out with their initial sentries/immortals. The push gets stronger as it gets to your base with warp ins, so if you make them use forcefields and just have lings to fake a counter attack and keep going in when forcefields are down you delay enough for infestors but you can win with just the lings.

You need to have good injects though or you won't have enough lings. If you played 1000 games and are still plat then you really shouldn't be arguing , especially in a thread like this about difficulty since everything is hard for you

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Nov 9 2012 05:12pm)

Good way to do it, force him to use warpins at home.



Definitely best way to do it though :P  Catch his immo/sentry force half way across the map with enough lings and the game just ends.

Quote (Death_killaxx @ Nov 9 2012 02:21pm)

You guys don't add anything other than you're getting spanked by zergs at high levels of play. Go ahead and check the distribution of wins .  That's what blizzard goes off of when they see a race getting nerfed.  We don't have cost efficient units other than Infestor Broodlord. Our units are very squishy, without FG , we'd never beat the immortal all ins or the mech terror pushes.  I agree that fungal growth is broken, but then again, so are a lot of things in this game.  HOTS buffed protoss to the point that it's retarded, zerg is zerg and terran has some funky ass weird units lol.  I'm chillaxing bro, and laughing behind my laptop as I live my real life and don't lurk on the forums like most of these people.
                    Random------            Protoss-------              Terran------                Zerg
Distribution  1.5% (16) 33.1% (363) 26.4% (289) 39.1% (428)
Average wins 45.3% (1,205) 55.6% (28,881) 56.4% (22,430) 56.6% (29,487)

Unless the number skyrockets, blizzard will not do anything, because obviously there are ways around the infestor play.

Quote (eXpLegend @ Nov 9 2012 02:19pm)

That is the counter to Parting's immortal sentry all-in. If you see it coming get lings to catch them in the middle of the map. Kill sentries, you win.

Edit:

Zerglings/Banelings? Anything could be cost efficient if you use it correctly(called micro)/part of a strategy.

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Nov 9 2012 05:49pm)

Mutalisks can never be cost efficient.  Ever.
/e
You totally can't win games with mutalisk control.  It is impossible.  I have never done it because I didn't play SCBW as a Zerg player and go mutas every MU because my muta control was bad.  And that did not in any way carry over to SC2 because mutas cannot ever be cost efficient.  Ever.

Quote (eXpLegend @ Nov 9 2012 02:00pm)

What? ZvZ you can win with mutas. You can win with anything with build order wins. That is why they have build order wins.

Quote (Burzum @ Nov 9 2012 06:02pm)

Mutas blow, Fungal and it's over. No infestors? Queens > mutas.

Quote (eXpLegend @ Nov 9 2012 02:03pm)

Never said they were good. But you can make them cost efficient in certain scenarios. You can even win with them. I am disputing that you can win with anything/make anything cost efficient. With good micro/control/positioning and good build/strategy. Death is saying Zerg only has broodlords/infestors lol.

Quote (Death_killaxx @ Nov 10 2012 05:56am)

Can't be produced?.... Are you serious?...They pop out if you didn't get greedy as fuck, around 11-12 mins. So they push comes at 10-1020 , we still make infestors just in case they follow the attack up, which they probably would, because they're all ins.

And for the record. I quit playing starcraft all last year, started up back in july and continued until now. So I really don't play too much. Nice try though .

In addition, I go to college, have a job, have a girlfriend, have more friends, and I'm an overall better person than you. You're a pathetic piece of scum.

Quote (ZachFreeman @ Nov 9 2012 06:09pm)

if you make anything other than roaches and lings during the attack you fucking die LOL thats the whole point of the push you idiot.