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Feb 7 2011 11:16am
Quote (dwalk1989 @ Feb 7 2011 05:06pm)
the future of zvp or zvt will not be 1 base play (excluding cheese obviously) and this will phase out just like anything else, I promise


Well, I'm just helping you out. If you don't want to try it then you don't have to. It's like a bunker rush, just because the bunker is done, doesn't mean the hatchery is gone. It meant you fortified at least 1 spine crawler and pushed it with the units you had.
In this case, it's rather similar. You force the opposing player to go into a 4gate ( assuming he 4gates ) from his initial plan. The 100 minerals at the very least is used to block his ramp and the wasted Chrono Boost that wasn't meant to use for Warp Gates research.

That's a hell lot of time I assure you that.
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Feb 7 2011 11:24am
Quote (RecenT @ Feb 7 2011 11:16am)
Well, I'm just helping you out. If you don't want to try it then you don't have to. It's like a bunker rush, just because the bunker is done, doesn't mean the hatchery is gone. It meant you fortified at least 1 spine crawler and pushed it with the units you had.
In this case, it's rather similar. You force the opposing player to go into a 4gate ( assuming he 4gates ) from his initial plan. The 100 minerals at the very least is used to block his ramp and the wasted Chrono Boost that wasn't meant to use for Warp Gates research.

That's a hell lot of time I assure you that.


I'm not the one losing to it lol, help the brotoss players not me
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Feb 7 2011 11:24am
Quote (Buffjesus @ Feb 7 2011 12:53pm)
round 4 lost fail wall


round 5 coming up, zerg is 4-0 vs toss so far

edit: lost round 5 also, missed his FF and i think he forgot to wall completely

round 6 up

edit: round 6 he also lost, tried to proxy which zerg found

round 7 coming up

lost round 7 cause pylon placement

round 8 coming up


defended the initial attack by FF the roaches on the ramp while keeping lings out.

still eventually lost because the zerg had enough time to macro drones/ replacement army


ROUND 9

8-0 ZERG (this is a toss whos masters / stream is featured on TL)

edit: lost round 9 couldnt hold roaches back


ROUND 10

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Feb 7 2011 11:30am
Quote (dwalk1989 @ Feb 7 2011 05:24pm)
I'm not the one losing to it lol, help the brotoss players not me


Makes sense. lols.
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Feb 7 2011 11:32am
Quote (Buffjesus @ Feb 7 2011 11:24am)
defended the initial attack by FF the roaches on the ramp while keeping lings out.

still eventually lost because the zerg had enough time to macro drones/ replacement army


ROUND 9 

8-0 ZERG (this is a toss whos masters / stream is featured on TL)


I just watched the last game and the zerg player is just light years ahead of this guy
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Feb 7 2011 11:39am
Quote (Buffjesus @ Feb 7 2011 01:24pm)
defended the initial attack by FF the roaches on the ramp while keeping lings out.

still eventually lost because the zerg had enough time to macro drones/ replacement army


ROUND 9 

8-0 ZERG (this is a toss whos masters / stream is featured on TL)

edit: lost round 9 couldnt hold roaches back


ROUND 10


Quote (dwalk1989 @ Feb 7 2011 01:32pm)
I just watched the last game and the zerg player is just light years ahead of this guy


well he did it; he won. took 10 games, but he did it lol

This post was edited by Buffjesus on Feb 7 2011 11:40am
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Feb 7 2011 11:43am
Quote (Buffjesus @ Feb 7 2011 11:39am)
well he did it; he won. took 10 games, but he did it lol


and to anyone interested (*couch* RecenT) he held it off then countered with a 3 gate push that could easily be manipulated into an expansion/stargateplay/blink etc
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Quote (dwalk1989 @ Feb 7 2011 05:43pm)
and to anyone interested (*couch* RecenT) he held it off then countered with a 3 gate push that could easily be manipulated into an expansion/stargateplay/blink etc


cough? ^^
Well, my response to that build would be 1 zealot 2 sentry then stalkers.
The only reason why I believe this build is even remotely close to being good is because Protoss players don't know how to play. They are accustomed to literally just imitating builds and they think they are safe, that it's best to be greedy and go straight into tech or the casual 3gate crap.

I see the scenario that 3 roaches is meant to kill the zealot, and the mass ling is suppose to push in and kill everything else.
Accordingly, the sentry would only have 1 FF if it was the third unit out of the gateway, but it would have 2 FF if it was the second unit out of the gateway.
Regardless, I would have gotten 2 and CB the gateway which is why I believe the 4gate would be severely delayed, giving the zerg player such an incredible amount of time. It doesn't mean the 4gate is invalid though, lol.
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Feb 7 2011 12:09pm
Quote (RecenT @ Feb 7 2011 11:53am)
cough? ^^
Well, my response to that build would be 1 zealot 2 sentry then stalkers.
The only reason why I believe this build is even remotely close to being good is because Protoss players don't know how to play. They are accustomed to literally just imitating builds and they think they are safe, that it's best to be greedy and go straight into tech or the casual 3gate crap.

I see the scenario that 3 roaches is meant to kill the zealot, and the mass ling is suppose to push in and kill everything else.
Accordingly, the sentry would only have 1 FF if it was the third unit out of the gateway, but it would have 2 FF if it was the second unit out of the gateway.
Regardless, I would have gotten 2 and CB the gateway which is why I believe the 4gate would be severely delayed, giving the zerg player such an incredible amount of time. It doesn't mean the 4gate is invalid though, lol.


well idk why i said cough but you're arguing against me for some reason and i know this build is just cheese that will eventually have a very low win rate against good protoss players
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Feb 7 2011 12:20pm
Quote (dwalk1989 @ Feb 7 2011 06:09pm)
well idk why i said cough but you're arguing against me for some reason and i know this build is just cheese that will eventually have a very low win rate against good protoss players


Wasn't arguing against you, I was just advising a possible build counter.

and I meant "cough" as in correction to "couch".
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