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Jul 7 2013 12:25am
Quote (gEckoStar @ Jul 6 2013 11:22pm)
what does anecdotal evidence mean, and how does it differ against a normal evidence... just asking... my english is terrible...


Anecdotal evidence is hearsay--basically making a claim unsubstantiated by facts/statistics/"professional" quotes. It relies on the ethos (credibility) of the person making the claim, and since we're both blindly making claims I am asking him to show me that he is as experienced or more experienced in these games, which would mean his opinion carries more weight (as he has more experience in the field).
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Jul 7 2013 12:26am
Quote (Perf3ction @ Jul 7 2013 12:51am)
you dont even play sc2 yet you're posting nonstop in this sub and bumping this piece of shit thread

please stop, i am knee deep in barf, i can't take much more


This.
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Jul 7 2013 12:32am
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I have already stated one reason:  the League of Legends community is comprised of a significantly higher percentage of crybabies and douchebags than either the SC2 or DotA 2 community.  Your eloquent response of "nuh uh" has done nothing to dissuade me, or my claim.

If you feel that you have stronger anecdotal evidence, I invite you to post the number of games (and the amount of time since you started playing) League, SC2, and DotA 2.  I can almost promise that I have played all three of these games for longer and with more frequency than you have.


Ok so were are back at LoL being a vastly inferior game due to your opinion on its community.
The community that it shares with literally every moba game.
Good job with the fancy wordplay though. Guess you had to at least try to look intelligent.
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Jul 7 2013 12:34am
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Jul 6 2013 10:25pm)
Anecdotal evidence is hearsay--basically making a claim unsubstantiated by facts/statistics/"professional" quotes.  It relies on the ethos (credibility) of the person making the claim, and since we're both blindly making claims I am asking him to show me that he is as experienced or more experienced in these games, which would mean his opinion carries more weight (as he has more experience in the field).


oh. thanks.
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Jul 7 2013 12:35am
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This.


who posted this thread, that son of a bitch...
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Jul 7 2013 12:47am
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Ok so were are back at LoL being a vastly inferior game due to your opinion on its community.
The community that it shares with literally every moba game.
Good job with the fancy wordplay though. Guess you had to at least try to look intelligent.


LoL does not share the same community with every other MOBA. The majority of LoL players do not play other MOBAs, or we would see a significantly higher population on other MOBAs. Further, MOBAs tend to have very partisan communities--you will very rarely see people playing DotA 2 and League of Legends with any real frequency. It is often primarily one or the other. Of course I can't speak for HoN, since I've played it a total of one time and have no interaction with the HoN community.

If you don't believe either of those statements, feel free to make polls on both the DotA 2 and LoL subforums asking what MOBAs members consider themselves to be regularly playing. For game populations, a simple Google search will find the numbers.

The community is merely the first of many talking points I have against League, but it is a major hurdle. If you can't get around this major issue (and pretty much everyone, including Riot, agrees that this is a major problem with League of Legneds), there's no point in going into further issues.

Finally, I am not using fancy wordplay. This is how I talk on a day to day basis.

Now that I've thoroughly dismantled your attempts at sidestepping my first argument, perhaps you'd like to try a different approach?
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Jul 7 2013 01:53pm
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LoL does not share the same community with every other MOBA.  The majority of LoL players do not play other MOBAs, or we would see a significantly higher population on other MOBAs.  Further, MOBAs tend to have very partisan communities--you will very rarely see people playing DotA 2 and League of Legends with any real frequency.  It is often primarily one or the other.  Of course I can't speak for HoN, since I've played it a total of one time and have no interaction with the HoN community.

If you don't believe either of those statements, feel free to make polls on both the DotA 2 and LoL subforums asking what MOBAs members consider themselves to be regularly playing.  For game populations, a simple Google search will find the numbers.

The community is merely the first of many talking points I have against League, but it is a major hurdle.  If you can't get around this major issue (and pretty much everyone, including Riot, agrees that this is a major problem with League of Legneds), there's no point in going into further issues.

Finally, I am not using fancy wordplay.  This is how I talk on a day to day basis.

Now that I've thoroughly dismantled your attempts at sidestepping my first argument, perhaps you'd like to try a different approach?


Have you not been to battle.net ? Holy shit, the SC2 community is filled with bronze balance whining morons who have never been to blame for a single loss...oh shit that sounds like jsp too :(

Every game community has morons but that doesn't mean it's the entire community. I browse the GD of LoL forums sometimes, it's got a lot of funny posters and the LoL reddit is actually somewhat mature as well. I have to assume you're basing your opinions of the community off of the people in game. If that's the case, I do agree that people in game are pretty toxic but it's like that with any team game.

No one ever takes responsibility for their mistakes and it's always someone else's fault. It's hella annoying, I know. But, to an extent, it's the same exact thing in SC2. How many low level games have you been in when someone rages at the end "fucking terran, stupid race u suck" ? I would actually argue that since I've gotten higher MMR in LoL, the toxic players have all but nearly disappeared. Almost every game I play now is with good players who are having a good time, in SC2 even at the top of GM you have to deal with people flaming at the end of 60% of your games.

But when you make a claim of "LoL is a vastly inferior game" and people ask you why...you can't respond with "because of the people who play it". You said the game itself is inferior, arguing about who plays it is irrelevant. You could say "the game is good, I just don't enjoy it because of those who play it", "the game is trash and those who play it make it worse", or "the game is trash but I enjoy the community". They are separate, you can't say the game is bad BECAUSE the community is bad.

This post was edited by lovestory on Jul 7 2013 01:57pm
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Jul 7 2013 02:07pm
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How can you say it's 'vastly inferior' ?
LoL is arguably more fun to play
LoL is arguably more fun to watch
LoL has more players
LoL has more viewers
LoL has higher prize pools
LoL is made by a better company
LoL is doing the most for future eSports with their LCS system by making it a realistic opportunity for people of all regions to be progamers.

As for gameplay, the 'low skill cap' is really exaggerated, there's a reason Koreans and Chinese are much better than Americans and Europeans, if there wasn't a high skill cap then that wouldn't be possible; compare that to how many foreigners beat Koreans now days in SC2 because of the low skill cap and high volatility. Literally the only thing people from DotA say is "LoL can't deny creeps so it's low skill" but with more objectives like Dragon, Red, and Blue and even the bush mechanic of LoL makes it require the same, or near, individual skill but requires much more teamwork than DotA.

I've played both SC2 and DotA competitively and the time I've spent the last month+ learning LoL has been the most fun I've had since broodwar. The game is really well made, there's constant updates, Riot does an amazing job, the production of their tournaments blows everyone else away.

e/ also - the top champions you play is still displayed in your profile? oO;


LoL is better than SC2
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Jul 7 2013 02:18pm
Quote (castur @ 7 Jul 2013 03:29)
LoL is easier than sc2? no shit. Its a completely different game that requires completely different mechanics. Like i don't know what you are even trying to accomplish by saying this, it's just that stupid of a statement.
So it's easier than sc2 (durrr), and other than that your only argument is that it has a shit community? therefore its a vastly inferior game?
Too bad the Dota/HoN/LoL/insert-any-moba-here communities are all exactly the same. (from extensive experience with each)

But i'm curious to see how you think dota is better/harder mechanically. Should be a hilarious read if its anything like that first attempt.

In the meantime, ill go find a game with 9 other douchebags that i can only find on LoL.  :rofl:


1. creeps can be denied
2. wards are limited
3. u cant buy an item that provides a second life OR an aegis from the shop
4. u lose gold when u die


all these things lead to harder mechanics and much more needed map awareness

have a nice day :)

This post was edited by FTD on Jul 7 2013 02:33pm
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