if you're good enough you can probably start waning off the mutas but I have a hard time dealing with drops with only ling/ultra/infestor so i always have a flock of around 16 or more mutalisks

ideally like 25-30

i think i should also mention that half the time i do a roach/baneling all in on 2 bases which kills pretty much any terran up to mid grandmaster level, or at least does so much damage that i can easily win with muta ling later

This post was edited by dwalk1989 on Feb 27 2014 10:57pm

What stops the hellions and reaper?

ling bane?

speedlings and queens

the overlord is there to see if hes going to keep building hellions. if he's being a dick and you see that he's getting more than the normal 6-8 then you might want to get extra queens or roaches and make a wall off at your nat.

but for the normal 6-8 + 2 reapers if they're alive, you just have to play defensively with queens and like 14-20 speedlings and wait for him to overcommit and lose all his hellions (will happen every game), just dont chase off creep unless you know you can kill them

you need to scout

first he needs skills

btw guys im actually building a build order website, its already functional and has an authentication system, i just need a box to host it on :-)

ZvT is whoever has most bases/income/better trades usually. They're very long games out of all the Zerg Matchups.

Or you can do an amazing bling/ling rush timing, and I usually have enough drones behind it that if he can defend it, I can still come back.

Nothing wrong with the soulkey Roach bane like I said its not all in it just punish greedy terrans, ur almost always still in the game after it unless u waste all ur banes.

If you want to play a bit of a lower tech ZvT you could try Life's 5 hatch ling flood. It hits at about 12:00 I believe.

You basically push when you have 3 bases saturated with 4 gas, 2 macro hatches, baneling speed, and 2/2 on the way. While pushing, you get a 4th, 2 extra gases and a spire while constantly massing lings.

If you execute the build correctly the only thing that counters it is pretty much insane pre-splits with tanks.

If it fails though, you'll still have a 4th that you can saturate very fast (2 macro hatches) and a spire going with 6 gases.

people have been doing this or very similar attacks since terrans started using widow mines instead of tanks in HotS (i saw Kane do it a long time ago). It is really strong if you dont fuck up and lose a base to a drop or something).