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asymmetrical balance is fine, it just means every race is much different but the game is still balanced

symmetrical balance would basically mean there is only one race

there really isnt a "break zerg before xx minutes or i lose" scenario in hots, that was wol. if anything that scenario would be more fitting for tvp but still not really

i agree with everything else though

i also really like how MC brought up how terran doesnt even need to scout tvz and zerg is bottlenecked into one army composition


no, symmetrical balance does not mean you get only one race

think PvZ, both races have viable early game rushes and late game compositions

this makes for interesting games where players have the option of going aggressive or macro/teching or something in between

now, TvP is a good example of asymmetrical balance, and look at all the tears it generates

protoss crying for the first year and a half of WoL because they were getting steamrolled by bio compo early

and terrans crying since then because they can't deal with protoss late game
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i said symmetrical balance meant there was one race because symmetrical means both sides are exactly the same (and obviously balanced)

whereas asymmetrical would mean each side is arranged differently (like how zerg, protoss, and terran are fundamentally different but are balanced to make the game fair, thus asymmetrical balance).

thats how interpret it anyway...

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i said symmetrical balance meant there was one race because symmetrical means both sides are exactly the same (and obviously balanced)

whereas asymmetrical would mean each side is arranged differently (like how zerg, protoss, and terran are fundamentally different but are balanced to make the game fair, thus asymmetrical balance).

thats how interpret it anyway...


I think you misunderstood my post.

Blizzard (aka david kim) has always used the term "asymmetrical balance" to describe a situation where Terran can be imba for the first 15 minutes in the game, then protoss imba for the rest of the game

symmetrical is not the same as equivalent

I don't agree with Blizzard, because I do not think that having one race dominate the early/mid game then another race dominate the late game makes for very interesting matches, for both the players and the e-sports spectators

I think having all races being relatively balanced, having strong options in both early, mid and late allows for many more strategies and play-styles, something that sc2 desperately needs

Think TvP (kill the toss before he becomes invincible!) against ZvP (both races are viable late game)
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I think you misunderstood my post.

Blizzard (aka david kim) has always used the term "asymmetrical balance" to describe a situation where Terran can be imba for the first 15 minutes in the game, then protoss imba for the rest of the game

symmetrical is not the same as equivalent

I don't agree with Blizzard, because I do not think that having one race dominate the early/mid game then another race dominate the late game makes for very interesting matches, for both the players and the e-sports spectators

I think having all races being relatively balanced, having strong options in both early, mid and late allows for many more strategies and play-styles, something that sc2 desperately needs

Think TvP (kill the toss before he becomes invincible!) against ZvP (both races are viable late game)


solid terran micro can win in late game tvp...watch taega for tutorial on how to use ghosts!

but i generally agr33
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I think you misunderstood my post.

Blizzard (aka david kim) has always used the term "asymmetrical balance" to describe a situation where Terran can be imba for the first 15 minutes in the game, then protoss imba for the rest of the game

symmetrical is not the same as equivalent

I don't agree with Blizzard, because I do not think that having one race dominate the early/mid game then another race dominate the late game makes for very interesting matches, for both the players and the e-sports spectators

I think having all races being relatively balanced, having strong options in both early, mid and late allows for many more strategies and play-styles, something that sc2 desperately needs

Think TvP (kill the toss before he becomes invincible!) against ZvP (both races are viable late game)


specific times during the game where "one race is stronger than the other" do nothing to deter the definitions of the words symmetrical and asymmetrical

like i could go on all day but its literally in the dictionary

assuming there are times during a matchup where one race is stronger, even if david kim woke up one day and decided to "fix it" the game would still be "asymmetrically balanced" because protoss still warps in their units and terran buildings can still fly

This post was edited by dwalk1989 on Sep 4 2013 03:01am
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Sep 4 2013 08:57am
this just in, korean meta game in tvp has changed!
protoss players are now massing zealots and 4-5 archons and the rest of their gas on high templars
people like rain and polt are having a hard time winning ( as seen in their streams ) to the meta game shift

This post was edited by gEckoStar on Sep 4 2013 08:58am
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Sep 4 2013 03:25pm
that style looked more like a gimmick than anything

naniwa did a poor version of it and got massacred by forgg's pure marine pushes

This post was edited by raineplayshalo2 on Sep 4 2013 03:25pm
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