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Mar 19 2013 02:14am
Quote (Cpt_Ghost @ Mar 19 2013 01:04am)
Zerg doesn't have anything against skytoss. But it's not a counter what they need, but something to put up a fight with. Hardcounters are dumb.


Roach hydra corruptor?
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Roach hydra corruptor?


roach vs sky comp? hmm

anyway the protoss always get few archons and 5-6 hts before switch to air, hts >>>> hydras

just check pano grubby showmatch, grubby has like 10-12 archons, 12 voids, 5-6 hts, 5-6 tempest, and few oracle for harassment, looks like unbeatable with z

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roach vs sky comp? hmm

anyway the protoss always get few archons and 5-6 hts before switch to air, hts >>>> hydras

just check pano grubby showmatch, grubby has like 10-12 archons, 12 voids, 5-6 hts, 5-6 tempest, and few oracle for harassment, looks like unbeatable with z


Roach to block for hydras, hydras are squishy and die fast if the ground army can get to them. If it's a pure air group, then no roaches. But usually there will be zealots/archons as you stated. Roaches block back those and let hydras do max dps.

Watching Yonghwa vs Ret from IEM, stalker colossi void is stomping shit. Hydras can't do anything vs range colossi.
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Mar 19 2013 03:09am
Yeah. Hydras cannot be made if the Protoss has colossi.
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Mar 19 2013 03:23am
Even 820 said that zergs are just fuckinf themselves up if they get hydras against skytoss.
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Mar 19 2013 03:27am
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Even 820 said that zergs are just fuckinf themselves up if they get hydras against skytoss.


I think it can be done if there are no colossi. Hydras are low hp high dps units, so as long as things aren't actively killing them, they're good. Voids prioritize corruptors, right? So the hydras will have a ton of time to whack on the fliers of Protoss. As long as you have a few roaches to keep zealots/archons off your hydras, I think they can be effective against certain comps.

That being said, once you see void/colossi, I'm not seeing an obvious win composition for Zerg. Maybe some combination of viper cloud, fungal, and zerglings/ultras.
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I think it can be done if there are no colossi.  Hydras are low hp high dps units, so as long as things aren't actively killing them, they're good.  Voids prioritize corruptors, right?  So the hydras will have a ton of time to whack on the fliers of Protoss.  As long as you have a few roaches to keep zealots/archons off your hydras, I think they can be effective against certain comps.

That being said, once you see void/colossi, I'm not seeing an obvious win composition for Zerg.  Maybe some combination of viper cloud, fungal, and zerglings/ultras.


Skytoss does not consist only of air units. Hts archons and colossi are optional.
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Mar 19 2013 03:33am
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Skytoss does not consist only of air units. Hts archons and colossi are optional.


Yes. Which is why I keep mentioning roaches.

If your opponent goes ht/archon/zealot/anything non-colossi, I think hydras have a place. As soon as colossi come out with range, hydras rapidly fall off the map.
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Mar 19 2013 05:34am
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Yes.  Which is why I keep mentioning roaches.

If your opponent goes ht/archon/zealot/anything non-colossi, I think hydras have a place.  As soon as colossi come out with range, hydras rapidly fall off the map.


We're talking about the invincible endgame comp. It does not need colossi that much, storms do just as well if not better against hydras.
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Mar 19 2013 08:53am
fuck sky toss just harass them hard.
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