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Jan 9 2013 05:38pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Jan 9 2013 07:34pm)
Seen some streams but haven't played much.  Haven't heard of how well air Protoss has been doing.  Removing the vortex really hurts Protoss, but it also sort of balances things...to have an ability that can instantly wipe out a 200/200 army is pretty silly IMO.  But Protoss needs something to compensate for that.  Maybe the new airships do that effectively, I haven't seen a lot of them.

It's pretty common from what I've seen.

Quote (BardOfXiix @ Jan 9 2013 07:34pm)
And yes, reapers are really strong.  But now they're back to not existing, a la WoL.  There must have been some way of nerfing them without removing them from viability.  Four damage a shot, honestly.


Maybe if you all-in.  Or if you're okay with having a 10 minute factory.  Don't forget, they still cost 50 gas a pop.

Reapers are extremely relevant in TvT now, that's a pretty common opening. of course timings are going to be adjusted.

In regards to zerg, if the mere threat of them has semi-pros and GMs going pool first and a later hatch, i'd say its a win right there regardless if they do less damage or even make them or not. If you have around 4-5 without a reacter, compared to compared to the time and cost of making hellions and a reactor, I'd say its not an all-in by any means. Again, new game, new units = adjusted timings.

This post was edited by Hanmin on Jan 9 2013 05:43pm
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Jan 9 2013 05:38pm
Buffs to terran? wtf?
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Jan 9 2013 05:45pm
Quote (NoLimit028 @ Jan 9 2013 04:38pm)
Buffs to terran? wtf?


Reaper nerf is stupid harsh but the tank buff is HUGE.

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Reapers are extremely relevant in TvT now, that's a pretty common opening. of course timings are going to be adjusted.

In regards to zerg, if the mere threat of them has semi-pros and GMs going pool first and a later hatch, i'd say its a win right there regardless if they do less damage or even make them or not.


Yes, reapers were huge. Next patch they will be nigh unusable. 50 gas is a huge investment for a unit that deals 4 damage a shot, dies easily, and doesn't transition out of the early game. Would people still build reapers if they cost as much as a medivac? If they cost 150 gas and 150 minerals and 3 supply?

There's nothing wrong with forcing other races to play something other than stupid greedy. But yes, reapers were too strong. This is the wrong way to go about fixing the problem.
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Jan 9 2013 05:47pm
ETA on server being back up?
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Jan 9 2013 05:49pm
wow Siege Tank
Siege Tanks no longer require an upgrade in order to enter Siege Mode.
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OP as fuck
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Jan 9 2013 05:51pm
3,63 dps for a 50/50 unit.
blizzard makes reapers useless, again.

This post was edited by Kurdisch_styler on Jan 9 2013 05:51pm
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Jan 9 2013 05:53pm
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Reaper nerf is stupid harsh but the tank buff is HUGE.



Yes, reapers were huge.  Next patch they will be nigh unusable.  50 gas is a huge investment for a unit that deals 4 damage a shot, dies easily, and doesn't transition out of the early game.  Would people still build reapers if they cost as much as a medivac?  If they cost 150 gas and 150 minerals and 3 supply?

There's nothing wrong with forcing other races to play something other than stupid greedy.  But yes, reapers were too strong.  This is the wrong way to go about fixing the problem.


You said that what's the point of building reapers, then you pretty much answered your own question by saying it prevents zerg from saying Zerg can't play as greedily. With the speed buff and no reactor, you get scouting that might other wised be used in a scan.

It's a balance patch, and we're not talking about what might not happen. But yea, I definitely agree that reapers aren't pointless to build anymore.

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ETA on server being back up?

They shut it down around 3:00PST. So should be up in the closest hour or next, I think.

Quote (Kurdisch_styler @ Jan 9 2013 07:51pm)
3,63 dps for a 50/50 unit.
blizzard makes reapers useless, again.

Have you played hots? Because they're extremely common now, and they're probably going to be seen even more. Can use my account if you want ~_~

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Quote (Death_killaxx @ Jan 9 2013 04:49pm)
wow Siege Tank
Siege Tanks no longer require an upgrade in order to enter Siege Mode.
....


OP as fuck


Pretty much.

Quote (Hanmin @ Jan 9 2013 04:53pm)
You said that what's the point of building reapers, then you pretty much answered your own question by saying it prevents zerg from saying Zerg can't play as greedily. With the speed buff and no reactor, you get scouting that might other wised be used in a scan.

It's a balance patch, and we're not talking about what might not happen. But yea, I definitely agree that reapers aren't pointless to build anymore.


Reapers WEREN'T pointless to build. But with 4 damage a hit, they're no longer a threat and can no longer force an early pool.
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Jan 9 2013 05:58pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Jan 9 2013 07:54pm)
Pretty much.



Reapers WEREN'T pointless to build.  But with 4 damage a hit, they're no longer a threat and can no longer force an early pool.


Reapers were never suppose to be used mainly as a threat, they never were unless you count back in early patches of WoL before you needed a factory for reaper speed.

When you said lolwhybother with reapers, I guess I mistook you for what you said ~_~

Fast, mobile, and really good at scouting. I guess there is a point to build them then
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Jan 9 2013 05:59pm
i made a mistake, forgot that reapers attacked twice.

Quote (Hanmin @ Jan 10 2013 01:58am)
Reapers were never suppose to be used mainly as a threat, they never were unless you count back in early patches of WoL before you needed a factory for reaper speed.

When you said lolwhybother with reapers, I guess I mistook you for what you said ~_~

Fast, mobile, and really good at scouting. I guess there is a point to build them then


well, blizz mentioned that they wanted to make reapers more of an value unit in the later stages

This post was edited by Kurdisch_styler on Jan 9 2013 06:00pm
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