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Oct 24 2012 03:09am
Quote (eXpLegend @ Oct 24 2012 03:45am)
You should watch streams/old VODs. As a Terran player you should learn how to execute timing attacks. There are actually many different kinds, even for each play style  (Mech/bio/etc.). Also keep constant pressure, many Terran players will keep constant pressure with drops/hellions.


Im really bad at dropping/macroing while dropping. I just feel like its never worth it and that if I lose a medivac it will give them such an advantage that, for zerg, is just almost an instantwin. Usually my drops get spotted by ovies or some shit so I just back out sometimes.

I really need to get better at macroing/pressuring. I usually just try to do a timing attack with my upgrades before they get broods or something. But usually infestors/blings/roaches keep me at bay. Also my marine splitting is atrocious.
Quote (Xaerion3 @ Oct 24 2012 03:21am)
I posted this on another thread, but seemed relevant.

MMM vs Ling / Bling is easy mode; ctrl click marines, stim, and split. Let marauders soak the bling splash damage (prayers of bad zerg micro, but zerg right?). It is imperative to make sure you don't split to far away from your initial engagement. Given that if you split your forces to far you won't have enough DPS output to clean up.

MMM vs Ling / Bling / Festor requires far more micro and should be pre-splitting before engagements to minimize fungal damage, or you can mass medis, given that your DPS output will be significantly lower.

Splitting and kiting are two different things. Common sense I know.

It is also a good habit to check your flanks

   
I <-- Forward Marine



I  <-Flank  Marine                                                                                            Flank Marine -> I


                                              IOIOIOIOI
                                      Army IOIOIOIOI Army


                                                      I
                                                      ^
                                                      |
                      If you want to be super safe check your Six


If you have a forward marine it will also warn you on when to Siege your tanks.
Tanks can tank damage like Marauders.
Everything else still applies.

While I understand you said that your opponent had roached in the composition this is pretty much given.
Learn to split like a champ and you'll be fine.

All easier said then done. Hope this post helps!


Thank you sir, that did help
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Oct 24 2012 03:15am
Losing one medivac with 8 marines. Should not decide a game in TvZ. Also there are many timing attacks. Before brood is too broad. I mean any late game will lead to Broodlords in TvZ, PvZ and possibly ZvZ. It is a tier III unit. There are 80 Supply(General number) , 100 Supply(General number), 8 minute(General number), etc. timings.
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Oct 24 2012 03:46am
Quote (eXpLegend @ Oct 24 2012 04:15am)
Losing one medivac with 8 marines. Should not decide a game in TvZ. Also there are many timing attacks. Before brood is too broad. I mean any late game will lead to Broodlords in TvZ, PvZ and possibly ZvZ. It is a tier III unit. There are 80  Supply(General number) , 100 Supply(General number), 8 minute(General number), etc. timings.


I usually just wing my builds..I have standard openings and just play re actively. I would like some nice TvZ builds to try out if you know any off the top of your head.
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Oct 24 2012 03:54am
Quote (AnotherDeadHero @ Oct 24 2012 05:46am)
I usually just wing my builds..I have standard openings and just play re actively. I would like some nice TvZ builds to try out if you know any off the top of your head.


I would say keep doing what you have been doing. Keep playing by reacting to your opponents. You could use general openers for each match up but I would not recommend doing an exact build. It mainly depends on your league and based on reading I see you are Gold. Mainly because some people do not play by builds/react the same way as they should in each league.

Keep doing the strats you have been doing for each match up. But if you fall below 60% win rate total. I would suggest then posting again.
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Oct 24 2012 04:01am
Quote (eXpLegend @ Oct 24 2012 04:54am)
I would say keep doing what you have been doing. Keep playing by reacting to your opponents. You could use general openers for each match up but I would not recommend doing an exact build. It mainly depends on your league and based on reading I see you are Gold. Mainly because some people do not play by builds/react the same way as they should in each league.

Keep doing the strats you have been doing for each match up. But if you fall below 60% win rate total. I would suggest then posting again.


Will do. I think my W/L rate is fairly good...more greens then reds XD..

Basically, any infestor/roach play I get shit on. I ALWAYS forget to split my rines (mainly because im new to terran and originally was a zerg player so wtf is micro?) and always get cleaned up easily. I feel like if I get good at splitting then TvZ will be much much easier.
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Oct 24 2012 04:10am
Quote (AnotherDeadHero @ Oct 24 2012 06:01am)
Will do. I think my W/L rate is fairly good...more greens then reds XD..

Basically, any infestor/roach play I get shit on. I ALWAYS forget to split my rines (mainly because im new to terran and originally was a zerg player so wtf is micro?) and always get cleaned up easily. I feel like if I get good at splitting then TvZ will be much much easier.


Well, my point is not really the win rate. But rather, I could do a build TvZ and win. Then you do the exact build in TvZ and lose. Reasons could be I executed correct or it matches my play style. While you did it poorly and it does not match your style of play. Or even they saw my build reacted XXX and I knew if they did XXX I have to do XXX. While you did not know that doing the build. Also some people do not get frustrated by a certain match up and win a lot. While some people dread a match up and lose because of it.

Basically my advice is to come back when you have a road block in a certain match up/scenario. That way we can help you.

Edit: Also the tanks should be killing infestors/decent ratio of Marauders/marines and splitting.

This post was edited by eXpLegend on Oct 24 2012 04:11am
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Oct 24 2012 04:25am
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Well, my point is not really the win rate. But rather, I could do a build TvZ and win. Then you do the exact build in TvZ and lose. Reasons could be I executed correct or it matches my play style. While you did it poorly and it does not match your style of play. Or even they saw my build reacted XXX and I knew if they did XXX I have to do XXX. While you did not know that doing the build. Also some people do not get frustrated by a certain match up and win a lot. While some people dread a match up and lose because of it.

Basically my advice is to come back when you have a road block in a certain match up/scenario. That way we can help you.

Edit: Also the tanks should be killing infestors/decent ratio of Marauders/marines and splitting.


Should I always try to have a couple thors in my army if im using mainly bio/tanks?
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Oct 24 2012 05:23am
Quote (AnotherDeadHero @ Oct 24 2012 06:25am)
Should I always try to have a couple thors in my army if im using mainly bio/tanks?


I would say no, unless they have mass mutas. Especially versus Roaches, which you said you mainly face. Roaches > Thors
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Oct 24 2012 09:13am
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Oct 24 2012 10:40am
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It's not gay to allin, its part of the game and if you dont like it you shouldnt be playing.


That's why I don't play the game :)
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