Remember when watching Protoss matchups was fun? When watching aggressive early/mid game PvZ and PvT was common? I do, and I know why we don't see it anymore; Protoss lategame is the weakest of the 3 races.

'Back in the day' , Protoss had the, hands down, best lategame of the three races. Oddly enough though, that was when they were at their weakest but even still, the matchups at that time were way more fun to watch. When Protoss has the best lategame, it forces Zerg and Terran to be aggressive. For a while, though, it's been Protoss all ins in the majority of matchups because they have the worst lategame, this causes Terran and Zerg to be much more passive and incredibly boring games.

This has nothing to do with balance, like I said the time when Protoss was fun to watch was when they were overall weaker and less success but had the unbeatable lategame. It was just so much more fun to watch a Zerg do something other than turtle to BL's or watch a Terran ( although they do still play some aggressive styles ) try to break the Protoss before late late game.

I don't think this even has anything do do with patches / something changing in the game. It's just Terran and Zerg can utilize lategame units a lot better and more effectively than Protoss. We all already know that Protoss can't compete with BL/Infestor army against a good Zerg camped with mass spines. But Terran is arguably harder to deal with, it's actually impossible for Protoss to fight a Terran with 15 vikings/10 ghosts/MNM because even with supply put into Vikings , that composition will beat ANY gateway based composition. So Terrans are playing gayer and gayer lately just sitting until they have that unbeatable composition.

Protoss doesn't have good harass options, watching Protoss kill drones with phoenix or warp prism play is just sad when you see how little affect it really has because the later the game goes the stronger Zerg becomes. Oddly enough, HerO v Stephano at IPL is going on while I'm writing this and that's exactly what's happening. HerO harassing and doing well, killed the 4th 2 times but then just gets trucked when he tries to push out.

Anyways, this was mad rambly and I didn't take any time to actually write it so it's probably horrible grammar and badly worded but whatevs~

Yes.

I think you mean Protoss lategame is the weakest of the two races, since Terran is not a viable race to play.

This post was edited by Butt_Commander on Nov 29 2012 03:34pm

posting in a topic where x race says their race is the weakest/10

I'll build a Terran max army with 50 SCV, you build a max Protoss army with 70 probe, we fight. If you win I'll give you a blowjob.

Terran max army can't be beaten even if you warp in 20 zealots mid fight.



grandmaster with all 3 race/10

And if your reading comprehension is so low that you didn't grasp what I was saying then I feel sorry for you. This has nothing to do with Protoss being overall weak, if anyone thinks that P lategame is strong then they're bad. Simple as that, I'm saying that the game is boring because their lategame is bad not that the race is bad.

This post was edited by 820 on Nov 29 2012 03:32pm

what i said stands, you're crying your main is the weakest late game, carry on, if your race was balanced late game you'd be winning gsl and shit, sadly though your race sucks ass late game so maybe you should considering switching to a better late game race

You're a fucking idiot.
I said Protoss sucked shit when they're late game was strongest but it was more fun to watch.
Protoss is stronger right now and more successful but their late game sucks shit.

Why would I want my race to suck shit but have a strong lategame?

Holy fuck, this is why you're a shit player. If you had a single ounce of intelligence you might not only understand that there's a difference between overpowered race and a fun to watch race but you might also be able to get out of plat. This has nothing to do with winning, losing, good, bad, anything. All I said was when Protoss doesn't have strongest late game it creates boring games.

Go back into your hole, use your FG to purchase a brain.

This post was edited by 820 on Nov 29 2012 04:01pm

lol and the shit player resorts to flaming, spoilers - i shit on you pretty badly on ladder, you're just another fucking garbage toss

i know exactly what you fucking said, note - what i said has fuck all to do with toss in the past, but what you said about the toss today

YOU ARE SAYING YOUR RACE IS THE WEAKEST LATE GAME AT THIS CURRENT POINT IN TIME, i don't give a shit about toss anywhere between 2 years ago

might i suggest unrustling your jimmies

This post was edited by Kilala on Nov 29 2012 04:09pm

stopped reading there, sry bro.
have read it though, and you are kinda right
Terran lategame is in fact better than protoss, but it's the effort to utilize that makes the difference, this is why protoss' design is bad, cuz the game doesn't depend on how good you are, you just get perfect, and it all depends on how good is the terran (wich is extremely hard to be, and you have to admit that), and that kinda makes up for it.
I wish caster units were removed from the game, or have a smaller impact on the game overall, and the game should focus on air battles, and their micro.
That is what lategame should look like T_T

This post was edited by Cpt_Ghost on Nov 29 2012 04:14pm

Yes it does, this always does.