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May 14 2013 04:11am
Market is a wonderful thing because undisturbed it fixes itself in time. All those farmed items will get used, consumed, people will leave the game, new people will come - so unless new ways to exploit keep appearing on daily basis it will all work out.
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May 14 2013 04:18am
And some people will have 10s of millions AD like me lol
I could totally fk up the economy if i would want to by buying all dragon eggs for example, nobody could craft any fking thing and i can dominate the shirt/pants business haha

This post was edited by Struyk on May 14 2013 04:19am
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May 14 2013 04:23am
Quote (Struyk @ 14 May 2013 05:18)
And some people will have 10s of millions AD like me lol
I could totally fk up the economy if i would want to by buying all dragon eggs for example, nobody could craft any fking thing and i can dominate the shirt/pants business haha


plenty of people could do this
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May 14 2013 04:23am
You wouldnt be able to sustain it for a long period of time. Yes, you could do that for a while. Trust me, it will all work out as long as they fix all the exploits and new ones dont pop up every week
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May 14 2013 06:39am
Quote (newt0n @ May 14 2013 10:51am)
I am willing to bet money that nobody who bitches about the bugs EVER played WoW week 1 of release. The game was HORRIBLE. Totally 500% broken as fuck. And this is a game people paid money for AND paid a subscription for. THe first, oh maybe 2 months?, the game was down 50% of the time. It took them a LONG time to figure their shit out. People need to calm their tits and be patient

And YES, THIS IS BETA. Before this open "beta" they had a closed "beta" for 5 weekends (totaling 15 days) and this was closed. This is not nearly enough time to iron out all the kinks. Believe it or not, this is "beta". Like it or not, this is "beta". Say what you want, this is "beta". You cant get mad because a company is making a bit of money. WarZ did something very similiar to this except you had to buy the beta @ 20, 30, 50$ increments AND it was still shit AND they had a cash shop too. This is the state of games these days. Live with it.


This argument really isn't valid any more.

If they released neverwinter a decade ago like WoW then sure, I would understand all the issues.

Why were there issues? The hardware and methods were new. And over the next decade people learned, tech/software improved and games started releasing in a much better fashion.

Dumb argument unless you can take this game back a decade. You cant release a pile of shit and say, "well a decade ago people did this so..."


The game isn't in beta. And even if it were still in 'open beta' it makes NO DIFFERENCE. The beta excuse harks from a time when they WIPED THE SERVERS post beta. If there are no wipes then all bugs affect release. So it doesnt fucking matter if its beta or not. If the economy is ruined in the beta, then it is ruined in 'release'.


Nobody liked the warz, why are you even mentioning a shady game made by the creator of the worst game of all time (big rigs over the road racing).


I'm genuinely suprised you didnt just throw in "well at least this game isnt hitler".

This post was edited by silentdeathz on May 14 2013 06:39am
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May 14 2013 06:48am
Why? Because I am tired of everyone bitching. The fact is, games (especially MMOs) have bugs. The devs decided to release the game to the public in "open beta" to 1) make money to support further development and 2) get more testing on bugs. Fifteen days over the "beta weekends" was not enough time to test all the bugs in the game. They had a few options, 1) keep the game in closed beta but invite more people and keep it open for weeks rather than just weekends (costs money) or 2) do what they did and make money and test the game. If you were in their shoes, which would YOU have done? Why are people so quick to complain without wearing the other shoes first? Mind you, this game is 100% free! That is why I mentioned WarZ, the fact is they CHARGED people to play a shitty game, THOSE people had a right to bitch and complain. When a game is 100% free, you have no right to complain ESPECIALLY without putting on the other shoes and thinking for a minute why they might have done an "open beta" like this.

TLDR: This game is in beta, they have it "open" and have the zen shop up to make money while testing. Makes perfect sense to me. If you don't like the game, dont spend money on it. Lastly, think about it from their side, why not make money (on a purely voluntary basis) AND test the game?

This post was edited by newt0n on May 14 2013 06:50am
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May 14 2013 06:50am
But these arent just bugs, they are game changing exploits.
Getting a CW to 60 in 2 hours = ALOT OF CWs
Farming profession packs = ALOT OF MAXED OUT PROFESSIONS
Dealing 1m damage per hit = ALOT OF GEAR ON AH
All the above = FUCKED UP ECONOMY FOREVER
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May 14 2013 06:52am
Wrong, the economy wont be fucked FOREVER. But yes, it will be for a while. Think about D3. They JUST had an exploit where people could dupe gold. This caused 100s of billions to flood the market and it hurt the economy. Mind you this game has been out for over a year now and has a "game changing bug" lets all quit and bitch about how the game sucks because of it....
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May 14 2013 06:54am
Quote (newt0n @ May 14 2013 01:52pm)
Wrong, the economy wont be fucked FOREVER. But yes, it will be for a while. Think about D3. They JUST had an exploit where people could dupe gold. This caused 100s of billions to flood the market and it hurt the economy. Mind you this game has been out for over a year now and has a "game changing bug" lets all quit and bitch about how the game sucks because of it....


I really dont think this can be fixed without a whipe or new clean server
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May 14 2013 06:56am
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I really dont think this can be fixed without a whipe or new clean server


A wipe, meh I dont think its needed. Banning people who abused it would remove much of the problem (not all because they traded much of it probably), but it is a first step. And a wipe MIGHT happen, it is possible. After all, this is "beta" and they could wipe if they wanted to. D3 didn't do a wipe, and their economy is getting better after last weeks mega dupe.

I really do not see why people are hating on this game so much? Because the devs are making back some of the money they spent making the game AND testing it at the same time. Is this a forbidden thing now? Or wait, is it because the game has major bugs/exploits after only 15 days of CLOSED testing? Man, this is a HORRRRIBLE game!!!!!! /sarcasm

Lets start a list of "game changing" exploits/bugs in other major titles that have been overcome:
Diablo 3 gold dupe (trillions flooded the market)
WoW Free Tier 6 (tons of geared people = easier content = mass gems flooded market)]
Gold Farmers (despite the game, these people will always be present)

This post was edited by newt0n on May 14 2013 07:02am
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