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Feb 16 2013 11:08am
Quote (iLuxxy @ Feb 16 2013 01:05pm)
It's 50% chance for heads each time, regardless of previous results.
Exactly what i have been saying the whole time retard.

Your chance to get the mount is 0.03% per attempt, and still 0.03% each attempt, regardless what you think.


i think you're trying to save face as you may finally realize you're wrong. the question in point was the odds it would drop this year. reading comprehension is key.
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Quote (Zhaux @ Feb 16 2013 11:07am)
Try getting heads 1000 times in a row and tell me how that goes.


It's not impossible, are you saying it is?

Regardless of previous results its always 50% for heads.

Try reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamblers_fallacy

Quote (Stok3d @ Feb 16 2013 11:08am)
i think you're trying to save face as you may finally realize you're wrong.  the question in point was the odds it would drop this year.  reading comprehension is key.


You can add it all you want, it's still 0.03% drop rate.
Chance to get it is 0.03% regardless of any previous attempts.

This post was edited by iLuxxy on Feb 16 2013 11:09am
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Feb 16 2013 11:16am
Quote (iLuxxy @ Feb 16 2013 01:08pm)
It's not impossible, are you saying it is?

Regardless of previous results its always 50% for heads.

Try reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamblers_fallacy



You can add it all you want, it's still 0.03% drop rate.
Chance to get it is 0.03% regardless of any previous attempts.


Well getting heads 1000 times in a row with a fair coin has 9.33264x10^-302 chance of happening, so yes I would consider that impossible.
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Feb 16 2013 11:20am
Quote (iLuxxy @ Feb 16 2013 12:08pm)
It's not impossible, are you saying it is?

Regardless of previous results its always 50% for heads.

Try reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamblers%5Ffallacy



You can add it all you want, it's still 0.03% drop rate.
Chance to get it is 0.03% regardless of any previous attempts.


i'm starting to see your point..

but logically speaking..

let's say you're trying to get heads on a coin

you toss a coin 1 time and it lands on tails, if you toss it again, wouldn't you increase your chances of getting heads at least 1 time?

don't you up your chances of getting heads (or in this case a mount) if you increase the number of trials?
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Quote (Zhaux @ Feb 16 2013 11:16am)
Well getting heads 1000 times in a row with a fair coin has 9.33264x10^-302 chance of happening, so yes I would consider that impossible.


Well it's not impossible unless it's a flat 0% chance of rolling, and proves why you're not capable of this argument. ^_^
I had no problem shedding some insight into probability with you guys, and slamming stok3d.


Quote (Cyba @ Feb 16 2013 11:20am)
i'm starting to see your point..

but logically speaking..

let's say you're trying to get heads on a coin

you toss a coin 1 time and it lands on tails, if you toss it again, wouldn't you increase your chances of getting heads at least 1 time?

don't you up your chances of getting heads (or in this case a mount) if you increase the number of trials?


No, it doesn't increase just due to the fact that when you started it's a 50% even flip.
Each time you flip it, it will always be the same chance, but the probability is less.

It's not smart to look at it like that however,because it's still going to be 50% chance every time., you're not REALLY increasing or decreasing your odds.
that's why its a fallacy.

Like say you go to a casino, and play lets say roulette and it lands on 33 black.
It has the same equal chance to land on 33 black as it did last spin, as if you betted on 32 red.

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The most famous example of the gambler’s fallacy occurred in a game of roulette at the Monte Carlo Casino in the summer of 1913, when the ball fell in black 26 times in a row. This was an extremely uncommon occurrence, although no more nor less common than any of the other 67,108,863 sequences of 26 red or black. Gamblers lost millions of francs betting against black on the 27th spin, reasoning incorrectly that the streak was causing an "imbalance" in the randomness of the wheel, and that it had to be followed by a long streak of red

This is the most common example of it.

This post was edited by iLuxxy on Feb 16 2013 11:29am
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Feb 16 2013 11:29am
meh nvm the sum rule doesn't fit into this context

This post was edited by Cyba on Feb 16 2013 11:33am
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Feb 16 2013 11:32am
Keep trying convince yourself that you're correct for disagreeing with this comment comment:
Quote (voniazmogis @ Feb 16 2013 12:19am)
Doing it on 50 characters (750 runs) gives you a 20.15% chance of getting it in a year, so no, it doesn't exist.


/yawn. I wonder if zookeepers get as bored trying to train chimps.

Quote (iLuxxy @ Feb 16 2013 01:37pm)

Simply stated it's mathematically ignorant to compound it like that, and it is.
You're beating around the bush.


:/ you just lost your out to save face

This post was edited by Stok3d on Feb 16 2013 11:50am
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Quote (Cyba @ Feb 16 2013 11:29am)
doesn't the sum rule state otherwise?


Well, not really, and kind of, that's where it's confusing. They are both true, and neither really state otherwise.
The chance IS less likely in an equation, of repeated tests, You can't deny that it's less likely to get heads every time 100 times than it is 10.

However the 100th flip won't be affected due to previous results.

Quote (Stok3d @ Feb 16 2013 11:32am)
Keep trying convince yourself that you're correct for disagreeing with this comment comment:

/yawn.  I wonder if zookeepers get as bored trying to train chimps.


Simply stated it's mathematically ignorant to compound it like that, and it is.
You're beating around the bush.
Each time you go in and open the box, it's 0.03% unaffected by ANY and ALL previous attempts.
Sure in your head the "probability" might seem higher, but at the end of the day, each time you go and click that box, it will be a 0.03% chance to get it each time.
Either way i wish you the best of luck getting it, i need it myself. ^_^


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inb4 lol wow retail. :P

This post was edited by iLuxxy on Feb 16 2013 11:45am
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Feb 16 2013 11:47am
what mount is it?
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Feb 16 2013 11:48am
It has a 3% drop rate, and you do it 750 times...its still 3%

its probability, 3% x 3% all the way up too 750 times

voniazmogis is talking about the probability % added, yes in "theory" it will eventually add up to 100% but the drop rate is a constant and does not change unless blizz changes the drop rate
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