The current full realms have at least double the population that a typical "high pop" vanilla server had. When I was leveling through STV in vanilla, it took me 6-8 deaths to get close enough to Nesingwary's to turn in my quest. At primetimes, I'd come out of there with a nice rez timer. If classic didn't have layering, it would be even worse than that right now in zones like STV and Tanaris. Two days ago I was trying to start the escort quest in Hearthglen and I had to log out inside the building for two hours waiting to find a time when the npc to start it wasn't being camped. And that's a long-ass chain that brings you through a dungeon to one of the more obscure corners of the level 60 content. And my server isn't even as full as the real full ones like Herod or Whitemane.

All that being said, I would prefer there to be no layering and for things to be supercamped. It would be slow player progression and force people to pvp more as they level which is good for the longterm prospects of pvp activity on the server. However, I realize that many players would be turned away by that experience. I don't necessarily blame Blizzard for making the choice they did with layering. If it was me, however, I would have just capped the pops at 3k and released more realms. That way they wouldn't have needed to consider the tradeoffs about layering.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Sep 16 2019 04:08pm

streamers abused it hardcore. world first abused it hardcore. they were on private servers so they know all the exploits.
where the hell did i say streamers weren't abusing it? lol.
K....

lol? layering was never on private servers. Exploiting and bug abuse is just as common on classic as it was on vanilla retail and not much different than how it was on private servers.

There are plenty of examples of top players getting banned from retail because they abused an exploit.

neat
tell me a bedtime story now

idk how to interpret that sarcasm

all i'm saying is...



...the fact that people played on pservs has zero impact on their tendency or ability to find or abuse an exploit. This is particularly true when it comes to layering since the first time players got their hands on it to test stuff was in the classic beta.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Sep 16 2019 04:06pm

are you that moronic that you believe there to be no bugs or any type of exploits in a private server?

of course there are. Private servers are roughly the same situation as retail regarding the frequency and impact of exploits being discovered and abused. So...



... the fact that those players were on private servers doesn't make them different from any other classic players. You single out the fact that they were on private servers as if it has some impact on their ability/willingness to discover or use exploits. That is not the case. A private server player has no advantage over non-private server players as far as discovering exploits for classic.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Sep 16 2019 06:51pm

pretty sure someone who's been playing on a private vanilla server for the last 8 years will still be aware of all the exploits and bugs of vanilla wow over someone who hasn't played it since 2006.

This post was edited by tehtwitchy on Sep 16 2019 07:17pm

I was watching a wow classic spec video and the narrator said that the private server #s are off due to the private hosts not knowing how armor, spell penetration, dots, and debuffs from multiple classes actually work.
Is this true?
What do you think that margin of error is? Are you paying for wow classic on the blizz servers even though you invested so much on the private?

Private servers have nothing to do with the exploits that work on classic. Private servers run on the 1.12 client and the server-side code has been emulated from scratch due to the fact that Blizzard's server side data was never leaked to the public,

Classic runs on a completely different 1.13 client and uses server-side data from completely different developers. There's no reason that exploits on one would have anything to do with exploits on the other. They are technically different games from a structural standpoint.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Sep 16 2019 07:43pm