Hey guys, im building an orb sorc, and hesitant between 60 fhr or 86 fhr breakpoint
60 fhr is given, 55 from spirit + 10 from 30/10 mana boots, the question is should I go 2 x fhr skiller to reach 86 fhr or go with 2 x 40+ lifers (1 fhr skiller, 2x fhr/mana sc, giving up ~80 base life anyway)?

thanks

u dont need fhr for pvm

what about PvP?

Orb is gay in pvp 0skill char.

60fhr is more then enough in this patch

ES doesn’t need fhr in general assuming you are high ES. Regardless of pvp or pvm.

Fhr is based off of how much life side damage you take in relationship to your maximum life.

FHR works the same in pvp and pvm
different attacks have different fhr thresholds. Generally its 1/4 life = 100% chance to fhr, 1/8 life = 75% chance to fhr, 1/16 life = 37.5% chance to fhr for melee attacks, and for ranged attacks its 1/2 life = 100% chance to fhr, 1/4 life = 75% chance to fhr, 1/8 life = 37.5% chance to fhr
while under the stun debuff, the damage threshold is made 100% chance to fhr for any amount of damage. Anything that knockbacks will put you into hit recovery. Some attacks like DoT effects and tile-based fires won't ever FHR, even if under MB or if they deal 1/2 your HP in damage in 1 frame.
that includes monsters that use stun debuff or knockbacks.

the list of which skills are divisor 16 vs 8 is pretty arbitrary. Ex bone spear is 1/8, bone spirit is 1/16. The splinter bolts on lightning fury are 1/16, but the javelin itself is 1/8. The explosion from exploding arrow is 1/16, the actual arrow on it is 1/8, but fire arrow is 1/16, yet regular attack arrow is 1/8

damn, thank you, I really appreciate this deep insight on the topic, I've learnt a lot of new stuff here
I'm going 95ES ~1.5k life ~4k+ mana, so I'm assuming I shouldnt break my bones to get to 86 fhr, 60 is fine most cases, right?
thanks again!

If 95ES, spirit is more than enough for pvp.

The only time Fhr mattered for an ES sorc was against stun skills such as mind blast or smite.

But sense stun lock is non-existent due to fhr changes in d2r, fhr is basically useless.

This is why you will see ES sorcs generally banned from GM duels now as it’s basically impossible to ever lock down an ES sorc. Making them able to teleport away and regen their life and mana easily.

Fhr changes had much more side effects than people want to admit. Nerfing fhr/stun was an extremely terrible idea executed by blizzard. Basically killed pvp.

I see, thank you very much, I was always mainly a pvm guy and just a casual pubgame dueller so I had no idea about these changes
If I choose ES anyway, what do you think, max resists are necessary? And maxing cold mastery for pvp (I know for pvm overall -res from coldmastery is capped @-195 w/ sunders) but dont know if its valuable to max it in pvp from a practical standpoint (do people usually stack that much res?)
Also, if I ever decide to go for GM dueling, vita sorc is the only way if i understand correctly - that way what kind of cold sorc should I go for? Is frost nova viable, or blizzard is the only way?
Once again, thanks a lot for your help!

This post was edited by theruggedboy90 on Nov 9 2022 02:25pm

blizzard ist the only cold build. if ur sorc is rly high lvl u can go es. 86fhr only matters against good smiter/hammers because they have smit/foh combo which still works in this patch.