Having a bit of a dilemma, morals and what not. People say jsp is bad for the economy but as long as items are all self found or traded in game I see no issue. It’s the people that purchase runes off Chinese grind shops and resell for fg for better $$$/FG ratios. Thoughts on this anyone?

This post was edited by Skitz0_0 on Mar 5 2022 11:08am

I won't speak on behalf ethics and morals lol, I just want to say 2 comments:

1 option 1 SEEMS to be easier and take fewer time (not sure ofc never bought anything from those d2 Chinese shops)

2 afaik it's not allowed to even talk about purchasing items with real money and trading them here. Someone might correct me if I am wrong... but ofc moderators and defenders of jsp will advice you to buy fg and then just get the gear you need

either way good luck with the sale/purchase!

I’ll never purchase items for $$$ only fg

During every new ladder make the brave decision to play solely self-found. Gear your characters with what you have worked for ingame or gambled thru the NPCs with gambling options. You'd be surprised at how far you can get with even norm tier items. If you plan on pvp, well, you're at a disadvantage as wealth coupled with skills beats everything else.

This post was edited by UAPtictac on Mar 5 2022 11:58am

1. Think it’s dumb there’s a game on the website and most items on there are somehow worth more than most D2 items, the fact you can make fg off a browser game the website itself made to buy diablo 2 items which is the main game the site was made for, seems sketchy and somewhat unfair. Although it might be harder than it is to get items on LS than D2, don’t really know.
2. Seen lots of accounts made this year or last year that have hundreds of thousands of fg which seems impossible since most players that have been using jsp since original D2 don’t have that much. they’ve gotta just be multis, abusing some kind of exploit or they’re just getting GG items insanely quick but that seems unlikely..

This post was edited by EXDAZ on Mar 5 2022 04:14pm

Many people who acquire thousands and thousands of fg do so with sports betting or gambling. They highroll with maybe 5-10k and get like 10 times that in large pools.

It just seems rather hypocritical when you have people who complain about games with one dollar microtransactions when some will literally spend thousands to acquire full item trophy sets. But whatever, those idiots somehow think a pay2win concept is only seen on the mobile platform.

To answer OP's question, there's no difference. You're spending money one way or the other. It really seems odd how Blizzard has no issue with a small team of people makes hundreds of thousands of collective dollars indirectly by letting people buy a trust based currency off a website that benefits solely off the property of other video games. What's even funnier is them getting mad when someone tries to do the same to them by exchanging fg with illicit money transactions, given that almost all the money they've earned on this site has been from the intellectual property of other companies. It's like saying, "we're mad that you're taking advantage of our services that we earned by taking advantage of different properties." Kinda like when record labels get mad at people downloading music off other sites when they pay artists 3 cents for every dollar they earned from sales.

If there's any ethical issue, it's that. But hey, the system makes it easier to trade, and I've earned thousands of fg without dropping a dime.

This post was edited by eric1014153 on Mar 5 2022 04:28pm

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Didn’t even think about the gambling aspect. I guess you’re right mobile p2w is pretty much the same thing never thought of it like that.

This post was edited by EXDAZ on Mar 5 2022 04:29pm

The real gray area to jsp is that there are many people who participate in the service for the convenience and flexibility, and collective wealth isn't really pay2win if it's something you rightfully earned in the sense of trading. If I earned 20k fg in a season simply by selling all my early season finds on this site and not buying my way there, it's not technically P2W since I didn't spent any money to get ahead. I'm simply exchanging my wealth on a site that holds its actual wealth a lot longer than the game itself, and that's how I make my justification with this site on a moral standpoint.

This post was edited by eric1014153 on Mar 5 2022 04:42pm

Most likely a bait topic, but my two cents: Money and games should be separated, because money should come from work and not hobbies and playing around with games. It also ruins the gameplay experience by creating stigmatization and grounds for harassment; "Hahaha you don't have as good gear as me because i'm richer than you and i don't have any skills but i don't need to have skills in order to be better than you!!". And other situations, like when people recommend low-mid range gear to newbs asking for genuine advice, but get harassed by scammers which then tells those newbs they MUST spend 500$ on godly gear in order to even be able to play the game, and then probably get a percentage cut of that money if they actually do spend it.

So it's a racket no matter how you twist it.