Quote (Stefbef @ Jan 5 2022 04:44am)

Who cares about overrated oak

3 ele 3 nado 2s pelt > if ur not gonna go for top roll on that 2 dudu pelt anyway

The whole point about pelt is it having way more life than hoto without oak which gives benefits in setups like druid vs nec, where you need 4200+ no oak life in order not to have one 6200 dmg spear drain 1/4 of your life, which makes it so you have a 37,5% chance to be put in fhr animation rather than 75% (and ofc die in 5 spears, not 4)

Hoto is indeed better for most setups, but for some setups pelt is just better.

Quote (eric1014153 @ Jan 5 2022 05:06am)

Pelts are cheaper and more flexible than a basic 2/20/30 Circlet imo. You can find a basic 5 nado 2 socket magic at the fraction of the price of a no mod 2/20/30.

I plan to run Circlets on swap depending on matchup, and 5 Nado 2 socket with Shael Ruby or Double Shael for the main.

Quote (Overpriced @ Jan 5 2022 10:25am)

Pelt is only better for vs necro and hdin.

And you want 2/10/3/life/2os over 3/3 pelt.

3/3 magical is for idiots that are clueless. Your whole point about pelt and more life is true, which is why you want 2druid, which is 2 oak, and not 3 ele, as it’s 0 oak.

:bonk:




By far the most flexible build is with circ. As it allows hoto and a unique ring, coupled with 30frw and 2 sockets in circlet. The rep from hoto is huge for just a natively low life character, especially considering how much you can scale that replenish life through how you use oak.

Additionally, pelts only give you an advantage over a circlet setup if you have a 2/10/3/life/2os pelt, which is why those are expensive. If you are on a budget, it is by far better to invest in your circlet setup rather than your pelt setup.

Quote (eric1014153 @ Jan 5 2022 10:33am)

Isn't a 2/20/30/2 os circlet comparatively the same price as a 2/10/3/2os pelt, if not more expensive? I'm not seeing any plain mod 2/20/30 circlet going for under several hundred, much less one with a half decent mod and sockets with it. With 1 socket + ideal mods, those are starting at 1k, and 2 sockets will run more than what I can probably afford atm

Makes more economic sense, at least for me, to buy the 150 fg 2 os 2 dru/3 nado magic pelt and have a couple 1 socket 2/20/30s on the side for swap. Double Shael it for 40, one fhr/res SC, and all lifers for 163/99 for pelt, and GC fhr 30/10 boot swap on the circlet (assuming Cham or Lo takes spot for the budget 1 socket). As of right now, the only 2/20/30 Dru I actually have has a 10 Replenish Life mod, so Lo would be my first choice as a Trap swap.

Quote (eric1014153 @ 5 Jan 2022 17:33)

Isn't a 2/20/30/2 os circlet comparatively the same price as a 2/10/3/2os pelt? I'm not seeing any plain mod 2/20/30 circlet going foe under several hundred, much less one with a half decent mod and sockets with it. With 1 socket + ideal mods, those are starting at 1k, and 2 sockets will run more than what I can probably afford atm

Makes more economic sense, at least for me, to buy the 150 fg 2 os 2 dru/3 nado magic pelt and have a couple 1 socket 2/20/30s on the side for swap. Double Shael it for 40, one fhr/res SC, and all lifers for 163/99 for pelt, and GC fhr 30/10 boot swap on the circlet (assuming Cham or Lo takes spot for the budget 1 socket). As of right now, the only 2/20/30 Dru I actually have has a 10 Replenish Life mod, so Lo would be my first choice as a Trap swap.

Quote (Overpriced @ 5 Jan 2022 17:25)

Pelt is only better for vs necro and hdin.

And you want 2/10/3/life/2os over 3/3 pelt.

3/3 magical is for idiots that are clueless. Your whole point about pelt and more life is true, which is why you want 2druid, which is 2 oak, and not 3 ele, as it’s 0 oak.

:bonk:




By far the most flexible build is with circ. As it allows hoto and a unique ring, coupled with 30frw and 2 sockets in circlet. The rep from hoto is huge for just a natively low life character, especially considering how much you can scale that replenish life through how you use oak.

Additionally, pelts only give you an advantage over a circlet setup if you have a 2/10/3/life/2os pelt, which is why those are expensive. If you are on a budget, it is by far better to invest in your circlet setup rather than your pelt setup.

Quote (Stefbef @ Jan 5 2022 10:38am)

suicide branch gives more life, pelt can have 10 fhr which saves you 40 life from sc's (diadem can have life too i guess but it's very uncommon)

the best high life non oak setup is:
2 druid 10 fhr 3 nado jahjah pelt 40 life
enigma (5% life, no hybrid crap)
sop monarch (on legacy else just spirit ofc)
2 druid 18+ fcr high str 55+ life amu
10 fcr str 55+ life xx mana ring
10 fcr 55+ life xx repl xx mana ring
shadow dancers
arach
mages vs necro > trang tbh with big stash now
9 ele sks 45 life
1 small charm 5 fhr for 99 fhr bp
9x 20-5 (or 20-17 vs necro whatever with big stash now)


the thing is you NEED to have this extra life from sui and pelt combined, there is no way to get 4200 life with a hoto setup without oak, therefore there is no way to get the 37.5% fhr animation/5 spear goal with a hoto setup

and if ur wondering if its also do'able without sop monarch, yes u can get 4200 with spirit