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Nov 20 2024 10:17am
Quote (dropship @ 19 Nov 2024 21:25)
The items were duped before being assigned the item ID.
Then the ID was assigned.

As far as I know, most (all?) dupes available later only crated unperm items.

Although HRs for example were duped by removing from socket - and cubing. So unlimited new item creation.


In my opinion it was *probably* waypoint dupe used to dupe the skulls and then use it for rerolls. Automate it with 500 bots and sooner or later they will roll something useful.
That's how the best classic items were created (= vanilla items) around 2012.
Although Im not sure if eth-self rep could have been cubed? (why not?)
This could be somehow verified by checking the ilvls of those items; although ilvl depends on the item level and the char level. But bots could self level to 90 easily.

Also possible that those thousands of bots run by shops could find something.

There were clientless bots that you could run 500-1000 instances on one server. The problem was getting enough IP numbers.


Yes, I heard about the clientless bots, the question is whether it was really used for that case, since
a) rolling perfect or near perfect rares is insanely rare, even with botting, I personally never ever got even one rare I'd calll "trophy room"-worthy. And I absolutely nerded this game back then.
b ) creates load on the servers and you can't hide the automation processes behind it, so even rudimentary automatic Bot detection processes can detect that. Maybe they didn't even have that because Blizzard was in D3 crunch mode and didn't give a damn about D2. Since insane rares were posted, I'd assume they were inserted with another method than the one I refered to. I know it's really just a wild rumour, but I find it funny to think it was a blizzard employee who wanted to troll D2jsp in particular. Maybe it's something in between: these insane rares are theoretically possible to drop, so they didn't provoke another ruststorm, but were inserteted nonetheless. Who knows.
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The insane items coming from user Russiawins were made by just a few bots. He supplied most of the best classic D2 items after patch 1.10.

Personally I believe he was using the waypoint dupe to get the pskulls and just some bots that did the rolling.
At that time blizzard didnt care at all.
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Quote (dropship @ 21 Nov 2024 18:13)
The insane items coming from user Russiawins were made by just a few bots. He supplied most of the best classic D2 items after patch 1.10.

Personally I believe he was using the waypoint dupe to get the pskulls and just some bots that did the rolling.
At that time blizzard didnt care at all.


You have pix?

Thanks
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Quote (dropship @ 22 Nov 2024 03:13)
The insane items coming from user Russiawins were made by just a few bots. He supplied most of the best classic D2 items after patch 1.10.

Personally I believe he was using the waypoint dupe to get the pskulls and just some bots that did the rolling.
At that time blizzard didnt care at all.


what were people doing with perfect skulls?
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Quote (Decarnate @ Aug 28 2015 06:18pm)
This one's pretty cool:

http://i199.***/albums/aa282/doom_death/Screenshot030.jpg


that cant be real

thats insane..

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Quote (Octogenarian @ Nov 22 2024 08:28pm)
what were people doing with perfect skulls?


the perfect skull + SOJ reroll

use waypoint dupe for unlimited skulls + SOJS, then bots to roll all day


It was pretty clear that's the way he was doing it (for non-expansion Diablo 2 post 1.10), since he was buying bases sometimes

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Quote (Valmar667 @ Nov 19 2024 08:24am)
There is a simple rule concerning old op, "bugged" stuff in D2 aka I have a short history lesson for people like ^schafer* who apparently never went down the D2 rabbit hole of hacked/fused/illegal items:

  • search for old item shops in internet archive, and look for the items that were contemporay back then (2001/2002/2003). Mostly Pre 1.10 stuff is listed there, so you can see what was ACTUALLY in the game. I talk about items that were literally hacked (!) into the game and existed in closed b-net at that time.
  • Most of the real OP stuff (Bug silence etc.) got purged in D2 ruststorm back then, when we are talking about illegal and or fused items, I think only bug belt and bug tal survived, rest got wiped.
  • 1.08 Stuff survived but got duped into oblivion
  • zod-bug was real, but got fixed, so it was only possible for a short time to zodbug eth items. These items were not ruststormed
  • Fun fact: socketed HR-Runes never lead to the base item being deleted by the server. Only unsocketed HR dupes were poofed, or if the base item was duped.
  • Most of the d2-classic stuff that has wonky stats (like +2 pala, +2 ama skills on one amulet), got not deleted but duped. There was apparently a phase were these items, though duped, got their own ID so the auto-delete doesn't delete them. This happened after ruststorm, when all the items were assigned IDs to combat duping.
  • There was the period of "shopped" rares (=listed in D2 item shops) in the mid 2010ths, which spawned insane rolls on rare items (like almost perfectly rolled eth Fools BAs). Rumored to be either inserted via open-bnet, botted by bot farms (maybe also via reroll abusing via Chars quest) or being inserted by a Blizzard employee who wanted to troll D2jsp.
  • Apparently there exists (still is?) a exploit method (via server desynch?) to swap the runes while socketing a rune word creating the "bugged" runewords changing the runes and RW-name without changing the effect aka "Hybrids".


And to add a final message: many of (if not the majority) of the nice items you posted originate from here and were never dropped by the game itself:

https://media.moddb.com/images/downloads/1/113/112315/Hero_Editor.jpg

Interesting post explaining the background of the method that was used to add illegal/fused items to the closed bnet (it was patched a long time ago):
[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/jkabn/til_the_history_of_diablo_and_duping_in_diablo_2/[/URL]


What about imbue rollback? Was that really possible?
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