yes but 4114*1.769 isnt 7808 its 7277

This post was edited by hue_two on Aug 25 2010 12:24pm

o yah that appears to be a typo

amidoingitrite?

Arreats + Ravens:
Grief: 7389 damage, 9828 AR
Beast: 3033 damage, 9828 AR

Guillaimes + Ravens:
Grief: 7377 damage, 8380 AR
Beast: 3038 damage, 8380 AR

Arreats + Angelics:
Grief: 6286 Damage, 19772 AR
Beast: 2544 Damage, 19772 AR

Guillaimes + Angelics:
Grief: 6336 Damage, 17413 AR
Beast: 2580 Damage, 17413 AR



There you go: Amended 1.13b values.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 25 2010 12:48pm

Arreats + Angelics:
Grief: 6286 Damage, 19772 AR -> on 12k def, 62.2% cth // pvp dmg=6286*0.17/2+~17cb dmg=551
Beast: 2406 Damage, 19772 AR

Guillaimes + Angelics:
Grief: 6336 Damage, 17413 AR -> on 12k def, 59.2% cth // pvp dmg=6336*0.17/2+~57cb dmg=595
Beast: 2473 Damage, 17413 AR

So for grief over 100 hit checks:
arreats:34,272
guil:35,224

So guil does more dmg in that setup and particular enemy def, although ow is ignored.

don't forget your 75% blocking in there :3
ratio stays the same, ofc.


So including the CB, you might be getting +2.5% overall damage, compared to arreats
So to list the pros / cons:


Guillaimes:
+2.5% overall damage (comparable to getting an extra +22% enhanced damage jewel over the arreats)

Arreats:
+2.5% overall life*
+2.5% overall mana*
+29% overall defense*
+34% all resistances
+3% faster run/walk
+9% overall stamina
+6% life leech
+12.5% leap range
+20 second duration to all warcries
slightly better chance of putting enemy onto FHR each attack


*assuming you have same listed gear and +4 skills on swap (ie 2x dooms) for pre-bo

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 25 2010 04:05pm

Yea 100 hit checks that bypassed block I mean.

About higher chance of fhr.. I said before guil has higher crit.. only crits will cause fhr i think (?) so that not really an advantage for arreats.

Higher chance to trigger OW is an adv of arreats though.

Also, 2 doom is not what you want on switch, 7 bo is what you want.

arreat vs hammer ? fail #1

fcr vs hammer ? 20 is enough, fail #2



Guillaume is bad on barb ??????? fail #3
coa 99,99% of time ? fail #4
Kira on barb o_O ? fail #5



Depends on hammer's build. Vs a lightres build 10k def, 2 raven + hl is enough to tuch him hard, and u win 3X% critical ^^^^

This post was edited by Team_ifu on Aug 26 2010 07:56am

ROFL SLAMMED.

arreats gives you a higher chance to hit, more damage on non-crit hits, and more damage on crit hits, and a lesser chance to crit
its completely dependent on the target

for example, at 5000 hp / 50 dr, the breakpoints for damage on FHR are:
3750 for 37.5%
7500 for 75%
15000 for 100%


since the crushing blow doesn't help whatsoever towards FHR, its really the %AR and higher damage that matters here. It makes you more likely just to eke over that 7500 bp