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May 28 2022 07:11am
Quote (Zionite @ May 28 2022 09:30pm)

Wow, I'd be able to use Stormlash on wolf!

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Huge fan of stormlash. My tesladin on nonladder uses one. G toes+dual dream+stormlash+conviction murders ubers. Static+cb together is broken

Hah! I love you!

Yup, Stormlash is one of the best weapons in this game imo.

Oh, wait, my Fury\Nado Druid is using Stormlash (300 Ed one!) in LoD❤️

This post was edited by di3tc0ke on May 28 2022 07:29am
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May 28 2022 07:28am
Quote (germantank22 @ May 28 2022 09:59pm)
So based off of this calculator:

Using LW Phase blade:

4% IAS gets me 5+(4)+7 (easily achieved)
37% IAS gets me 5 +(4)+6 (I could get with 15 IAS jalal, highlords, and IAS gloves)

Using Stalagmite gets me (now does the eth change this? I'm not sure how to do t his with the calc)

26% IAS gets me 5+(4)+7 (easily achieved)
68% Ias gets me 5 +(4) +6 (ribby + ias jalal + highlords)

So how important is that last last number (7 vs 6)

with LW I get greater crushing blow, better life tap. Downside would be the dex+strength requirements may affect amount of vit?


Have you checked Feral Rage?

And skill lvl affects a lot in D2R(2.4).

The biggest question is the fastest attack speed really 7 frames in D2R? That's slower than LoD.

LoD: Azurewrath + Shael + lvl 2 werewolf = 6 frames

D2R: Azurewrath + 105 IAS + lvl 8 werewolf = 7 frames
(Shael, Treachery, Highlord's and Andy = 105 IAS)
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May 28 2022 04:44pm
Now I tend to believe the calculator is not optimized yet:

https://warren1001.github.io/IAS_Calculator/24/
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First of all, learn to send msg in topics and , nubs. Unless, you are both too lazy to keep the needed informations because it makes an annoying spam and nobody can know what you're talking about...

Quote (di3tc0ke @ 28 May 2022 04:45)
you have not checked IAS tables. This is crucial to many melee builds including wolf. and some %ias bonus in gear doesn't work at all in LoD ¹ (an example given below).

As for Phoenix, its Firestorm interrupts your attacks ², while Firestorm from Torch doesn't. (This has been fixed in D2R afaik) And this is why Paladins or Assassins don't use Phoenix in LoD, be it as a weapon or a shield.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Phoenix and use it on Sorc and Zon.³

And werewolf or werebear shapes are always slower than human shape. is based on what? ¹

Now let me take LW PB (no off weapon IAS) as an example:

Human 14 frames

lvl 2 werewolf: 11 frames (which doesn't change with either lvl 20 werewolf or 100 off weapon ias) (and 11 frames attack is too slow to my taste)

Hope what I wrote helps you understand some aspects of this great game :)


Second, I play this game for a while and I'm expert:

¹ Melee characters of any sort always need a high %ias even in LoD. If you take a shapeshifter druid as an example, then it means your shapeshifter needs more %ias with gear and his main werewolf skill once maxed. Unlike as shapeshifters, characters of any sort can usually hit faster than them except those shapeshifters got super high stats with skills (werewolf, feral and fury) and gear. I already test normal attack vs shapes of any sort (wolf or bear) especially in low level and the %ias is slower.
² Phoenix works fine for melee druids especially with the added %ed and fire damages against physical immunes. I don't know what you're talking about with interrupt. The high druid firestorm can probably and randomly roll a Diablo's firestorm depending how fast the shapeshifter hits.
³ Sorceresses cannot care for %ed, only aura and fire absorb. Spirit shield is better for sorceresses with the life/mana bonus and skills.

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Quote (Zionite @ 28 May 2022 06:09)
You're going to shit on eth ribcracker in the same breath you're suggesting last wish ¹? Which has 0 ias?

I'd recommend you stop giving out shit advice for things you don't know about. For starters, shapeshifter can benefit from ias off weapon now. Which means last wish is actually viable but so are things like an eth ribcracker. Easy af to hit frames with highlords. Which you do seem to know about but then completely ignore when you're making your argument?

Secondly, you can get 50% from goblin toes and g face ². More than enough for ubers, assuming your fury druid has good AR. That's the downfall of fury in ubers.

Thirdly, go try doing ubers on a smiter without a grief with 100% crushing blow ³. You'll drain their health very quickly and then it will take forever to finish them off. You need physical damage to finish the last mile.


¹ If a shapeshifter wears a Ribcracker (with low %ias), then his needed item for life tap is mainly a dracul's grasp (5% life tap only). So, a Ribcracker (with high %ias not ethereal) would be better to roll the low life tap. Last wish doesn't add %ias, but the character doesn't need an item with low life tap %. So, a Last wish Uber hunter can get more %ias with a crafted gloves (and another added items) depending how the character has been build.
² Goreriders are higher than Goblin's toe, because it can add crushing blow and deathly strike including faster/run walk (unlike as Goblin's toe).
³ Ubers will die very quick because crushing blow kills the Ubers, not damages. Btw, Godly Uber characters must be fully geared with super high stats (Crushing blow, deathly strike, life tap, resistances, life, Summons (optional), Elemental damages (optional)...).
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First of all, learn to send msg in topics ^di3tc0ke and ^Zionite, nubs. Unless, you are both too lazy to keep the needed informations because it makes an annoying spam and nobody can know what you're talking about...



Second, I play this game for a while and I'm expert:

¹ Melee characters of any sort always need a high %ias even in LoD. If you take a shapeshifter druid as an example, then it means your shapeshifter needs more %ias with gear and his main werewolf skill once maxed. Unlike as shapeshifters, characters of any sort can usually hit faster than them except those shapeshifters got super high stats with skills (werewolf, feral and fury) and gear. I already test normal attack vs shapes of any sort (wolf or bear) especially in low level and the %ias is slower.
² Phoenix works fine for melee druids especially with the added %ed and fire damages against physical immunes. I don't know what you're talking about with interrupt. The high druid firestorm can probably and randomly roll a Diablo's firestorm depending how fast the shapeshifter hits.
³ Sorceresses cannot care for %ed, only aura and fire absorb. Spirit shield is better for sorceresses with the life/mana bonus and skills.

At last,



¹ If a shapeshifter wears a Ribcracker (with low %ias), then his needed item for life tap is mainly a dracul's grasp (5% life tap only). So, a Ribcracker (with high %ias not ethereal) would be better to roll the low life tap. Last wish doesn't add %ias, but the character doesn't need an item with low life tap %. So, a Last wish Uber hunter can get more %ias with a crafted gloves (and another added items) depending how the character has been build.
² Goreriders are higher than Goblin's toe, because it can add crushing blow and deathly strike including faster/run walk (unlike as Goblin's toe).
³ Ubers will die very quick because crushing blow kills the Ubers, not damages. Btw, Godly Uber characters must be fully geared with super high stats (Crushing blow, deathly strike, life tap, resistances, life, Summons (optional), Elemental damages (optional)...).


Literally half of what you wrote is wrong. Stop taking about shit you know nothing about
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May 28 2022 07:07pm
Quote (Zionite @ May 29 2022 09:41am)
Literally half of what you wrote is wrong. Stop taking about shit you know nothing about


This.

He's still saying maxed lvl and off-weapon IAS after I gave him an example.

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Now let me take LW PB (no off weapon IAS) as an example:

Human 14 frames

lvl 2 werewolf: 11 frames (which doesn't change with either lvl 20 werewolf or 100 off weapon ias)


Yes, he and I are talking about LoD.

(There's no value to talk about Phoenix with him as he's apparently never used it himself)

Tbh, one is not an expert anymore once he thinks he is :)
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May 28 2022 07:19pm
Quote (di3tc0ke @ May 28 2022 09:07pm)
This.

He's still saying maxed lvl and off-weapon IAS after I gave him an example.



Yes, he and I are talking about LoD.

(There's no value to talk about Phoenix with him as he's apparently never used it himself)

Tbh, one is not an expert anymore once he thinks he is :)


Can't fix stupid. He's saying stuff that's just straight up not true. I've literally tried 50+ different druid variations since 2.4

Dracs/loh/crafted gloves
Angelic/metalgrid/highlords
Stormlash/1h beast/2h beast/tomb reaver/eth ribcracker/eth hone sundan/Grief phoenix/ebotdz phoenix/ etc etc
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May 28 2022 07:59pm
Quote (Zionite @ May 29 2022 10:19am)
Can't fix stupid. He's saying stuff that's just straight up not true. I've literally tried 50+ different druid variations since 2.4

Dracs/loh/crafted gloves
Angelic/metalgrid/highlords
Stormlash/1h beast/2h beast/tomb reaver/eth ribcracker/eth hone sundan/Grief phoenix/ebotdz phoenix/ etc etc


Wow, your Druid is happy with ya!

What combo is the best?

1 vs Ubers
2 vs others

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May 28 2022 09:48pm
I'm sure it's just user error. And perhaps random chance each time.

But tonight, using eth ribby was no bueno.

Switching to my ebotd GPA killed meph and diablo just find. I did struggle with baal as usual. But only when his minions are around and I'm not hitting baal. Maybe I need to learn to namelock. But when I have baal one on one and the lords are just casting, It's no problem.

Any tips for that?
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Quote (germantank22 @ May 29 2022 12:48pm)
I'm sure it's just user error. And perhaps random chance each time.

But tonight, using eth ribby was no bueno.

Switching to my ebotd GPA killed meph and diablo just find. I did struggle with baal as usual. But only when his minions are around and I'm not hitting baal. Maybe I need to learn to namelock. But when I have baal one on one and the lords are just casting, It's no problem.

Any tips for that?


But only when his minions are around and I'm not hitting baal.

Azurewrath time ;)
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