True, but because of that people may have voted differently

well the rules were changed but yea i like the way this convo is going, some rules should be changed. I tend to agree with austin that l8z shouldn't be an excuse, instead we should just establish rules that make endless l8z something that cant be done (no more manas once duel starts is one) and for tvt allowing a bit of absorb to encourage aggressive play or even kick/dclaw/ww.

Because we people like to argue about everything



There is rules about l8z, trust me when we got the rules the way they are we thought of a lot of things and did add a few things here and there to get it as balanced as possible

Always things that could/should be altered though, as long as the majority is fine with it imo

lol I was active from 1.09-1.11 2006 I was around when rules were being made and I remember the l8z rules also. As pvp stands nowadays in 4v4s people l8z constantly and it has actually become a part of the dueling strategy. Just outmana them in 1v1 and in teams they often let their teammates die. Or aggro while keeping your guard up. I don't l8z unless I am between 1-200 life or so and while it is more difficult for sure to seriously aggro a l8z player, it isn't game-breaking for high end players. There are plenty of moves that work better offensively, anything with stun for example or minion stack vs auto-targetting projectiles.

In fact I think every character has a viable defense against l8z except for fury druids.

assassin - shadow master/mb/traps
druid - oak/wolves/cyclone
barbarian - leap
amazon - slow missle, guided arrow, multishot, legit fc
sorceress - energy shield, highest fcr except vs 200 fcr barbs
necromancer - bone spirit
paladin - charge desynch, foh

This post was edited by Gilgameshed on Aug 2 2014 12:24pm

I get what you're trying to say but tpk and 1v1 is different, more players need more room obviously

Barbs and sorcs have same fcr but there aren't many 200 fcr barbs or even 105 fcr

Slow missles is also bm btw as far as I remember

But I know what you're trying to say regardless there will always be a small problem with overly defensive players, tape duels / get a med to watch

SM is gm. Anyone who cries about it must also remember they're getting their shit shoved in vs a zon and quickly silence themselves from any further opinions

I find it funny how everyone uses the term l8z, and I bet 90% of the people using it don't know where it comes from.
Travis aka L8z was a somewhat defensive dueler back in the day, but honestly he wasn't even half as defensive as most of the players today who defensively run and spam even while @ full life. Not to mention those who use the boxing technique.
Besides all that, I think most people over use the term and cry about people being defensive even when it's not to the extreme. Playing defensively is a legitimate dueling style and strategy, and the beautiful thing about it is, people who complain about it could use the same technique if they wanted to.

Might be a lad / non lad difference, you also got to stay on hybrid sins or they can/will rape with or without sm



One of them adopted terms and yeah you're right but then you wouldn't be dueling so what's the point.. if you keep it to a certain area you're fine otherwise it's just nonsense

Why should your opinion count more when you say yourself that you only play sins and max block necros and you haven't duelled zon players on other realms?
Note: Its very hard for a zon to play vs trapper/ghost on high ping, so not easy for a eu zon to get access and duel you on East.

I've duelled nec vs zon with eu rules where decrep and sm are bm and east rules where they are both gm - I prefer sm/decrep being bm in his matchup and think sm should be bm vs sorcs and other zons (rather it was just bm altogether personally).



They could but then the duels come down to "who has more time?". I don't really complain about it anyway (only annoying when I'm playing nec on East with high ping and sins camp/box in fun duels -.- ), and I don't blame people that play very defensively as in a lot of cases its the best way to win duels, its more a fault of d2 and our rules (life rep should've been banned/capped ages ago like in euro mld rules) for making very defensive play by good players difficult (or time consuming) to counter.

Anyway, you're right about what you said earlier (about these posts being offtopic), so I wont comment again on this.

This post was edited by Jeebus666 on Aug 3 2014 06:52am