15ds 35cb is very measly bu3h3h3h3h3h3h3

No I would always use it vs Hdins aswell, and the damage boost is huge imo.

arreats would be better vs hdins, but fcr is still better anyway
arreats gives a little less damage but way, way way more %AR, which you need vs hdins.

but a visionary / fcr circlet does... both

%AR which is based off your base AR, which is close to nothing.
15ds/35cb > anything in terms of damage when you don't need dr or res.

arreats.. lol

if you're not using angelics vs hammerdins, you deserve to lose.

damage + ar + fcr > damage + damage

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good to know arreats has fcr, lol.

and good to know you need 63setup vs hdins ROFL

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I've tried both and I consider Guillaumes superior in this case.

Assuming that you're using Angelics, Arreats adds 2,000 extra ar - more or less - and 200 life, but the damage that Guillaumes adds is far from negligible.

You don't really need 63 fcr against Hammerdins either, as you won't be chasing them. If you do, you'll end up landing in a field of hammers when they desynch. With 37 fcr, you're at 10 frames, which is as fast as a 75 fcr Paladin.

Since Hammerdins often play overly defensive, you want each of your hits to hurt as much as possible.

@OP: 40 ed/9 str in Guillaumes works fine; 15 max/100 ar would too. Shael in either Valk or Griffs.

do you know what a circlet is?


The main issue with hammerdins is not one of damage lacking, but of their defense. Not being able to hit them when they came desyncing past you means they land their hit and you don't land yours. It can drag out the duel if you play well, or lose it for you if you screw up. Angelics, enchant, a circlet, even hsarus are what can make the duel that much easier. Arreats has the benefit of adding both damage and attack rating *and* dexterity that you may need for widowmaker switch (which is useful as hell against hammerdins), whereas a circlet is generally wanted against necromancers for the FCR. Having both your helm switches in a single slot saves you a bunch of swap gear- as opposed to having arreats for hammers, griffs for necros, coa for everything else, kiras for stack, etc- which is too much stash room for a BvC, who has like 50 other switch items.


The funny thing about guillaimes damage being 'not negligible' is that if you do the math out, the +skills on arreats actually give you *almost* as much +% damage on average. And the +AR ends up making you damage hammerdins much, much more.
Guillaimes is only really important against bone necros- where crushing blow pierces bone armor- but the problem is, FCR is more important in those duels 9 times out of 10.


So for example having a circlet that looked like this:

+104% attack rating
+5 light radius
+20% faster cast rate
+2 barbarian skills
+40 life
2 sockets


well, besides such a circlet being insanely rare and valuable, I'd sure take it over guillaimes

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 24 2010 11:42am