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Jul 30 2019 09:58am
Quote (Chainsaw47 @ 30 Jul 2019 17:28)
Don’t you ever grow tired of bitching about this game? If you get no enjoyment out of it, just stop playing. You use this site to trade too; don’t pretend you’re holier-than-thou when you profit from the system as well.

You always end up complaining about human nature and the very foundation of a capitalist system. The one true solution to your problems is to stop using the site.


It's just my opinions. If you have no constructive answer, maybe that means I'm onto something?

This post was edited by Taurean on Jul 30 2019 09:58am
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Jul 30 2019 10:05am
Quote (Spinne @ Jul 30 2019 03:54pm)
Like you... you seem to be a kind of ladder bots ruinied our ecnomoy guy

Nn to argue with u. There justve been 20 topics with the same content.

If u simply don't understand economics or d2 please leave it

Bots were always part of the game and so was offsite trading if on this than on another site, just like many other games

Taurean.... no comment




I don't give a shit about people using bots. They can ruin their own game experience.
I do care about clowns flooding the market with Bot Found Items, ruining my game experience.
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Jul 30 2019 10:07am
Quote (Taurean @ Jul 30 2019 11:58am)
It's just my opinions. If you have no constructive answer, maybe that means I'm onto something?



People have given you constructive answers time and time again, and you either "plug your ears" or write a page-long essay about why you think they’re sociopaths for saying you’re wrong.

You’re not "onto something", your mental issues are just winning over you.

Quote (Maldra @ Jul 30 2019 12:05pm)
I don't give a shit about people using bots. They can ruin their own game experience.
I do care about clowns flooding the market with Bot Found Items, ruining my game experience.


How are they ruining your game experience exactly? Are you seeking profit just like them - but realized you’re inefficient?

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Jul 30 2019 10:11am
Quote (Taurean @ Jul 30 2019 10:58am)
It's just my opinions. If you have no constructive answer, maybe that means I'm onto something?


the problem is you constantly suggest stuff like voting pools and threads to expose people. but 90% of users on the site dont mind bots or autoshops. so you cant reliably use voting polls or blacklist threads, because only 10% of people will use them while 90% put in troll votes or names for the blacklist.

at some point you just have to recognize that your opinion isnt just unpopular, its wildly unpopular. WILDLY. the 2-3 people per thread that agree with you dont outweigh the 20-30 people that like cheap botted items. people that buy FG and dont give a shit about selling item, etc. your argument that you should get paid XXXfg/hour of mfing isn't valid when most people dont MF and just buy FG. you may not like it, but your opinion is heavily outweighed.
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Jul 30 2019 10:13am
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Where is your head at brah?

I reckon Words are pointless. GG
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Jul 30 2019 10:14am
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Jul 30 2019 10:15am
Quote (Taurean @ 30 Jul 2019 08:18)
The goal is to discourage hoarding and greed...


Quote (Taurean @ 30 Jul 2019 08:18)
...and to encourage clean, fun and simple trading.


What exactly is the difference between these two? On a trading forum, we are all trying to maximize our own gains and minimize our losses - ie. seeking profits. I don't think there is anything wrong or "unclean" about that.

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Jul 30 2019 10:27am
Quote (Taurean @ Jul 30 2019 06:18pm)
The goal is to discourage greed


if your goal is to discourage greed, why did not you sell your charm for 2fg here https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81595456&f=100 ? :unsure:
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Quote (Maldra @ 30 Jul 2019 18:05)
I don't give a shit about people using bots. They can ruin their own game experience.
I do care about clowns flooding the market with Bot Found Items, ruining my game experience.


Finally someone else writing sense.


Quote (Chainsaw47 @ 30 Jul 2019 18:07)
People have given you constructive answers time and time again, and you either "plug your ears" or write a page-long essay about why you think they’re sociopaths for saying you’re wrong.

You’re not "onto something", your mental issues are just winning over you.



How are they ruining your game experience exactly? Are you seeking profit just like them - but realized you’re inefficient?


Lol, nice dodge.

Because they get it for free while i have to work 10-20 times as hard for the same progress. It is unfair.

It is also disrespectful to the game designers.


Quote (thesnipa @ 30 Jul 2019 18:11)
the problem is you constantly suggest stuff like voting pools and threads to expose people. but 90% of users on the site dont mind bots or autoshops. so you cant reliably use voting polls or blacklist threads, because only 10% of people will use them while 90% put in troll votes or names for the blacklist.

at some point you just have to recognize that your opinion isnt just unpopular, its wildly unpopular. WILDLY. the 2-3 people per thread that agree with you dont outweigh the 20-30 people that like cheap botted items. people that buy FG and dont give a shit about selling item, etc. your argument that you should get paid XXXfg/hour of mfing isn't valid when most people dont MF and just buy FG. you may not like it, but your opinion is heavily outweighed.


Ethics is ethics, wrong is wrong and right is right. Even if 100 000 users disagreed with me, i wouldn't change my mind. If people played clean, the game would be more fun for everyone. Now it's just a money racket. What's the fun in that?


Quote (TheOmnipotent @ 30 Jul 2019 18:15)
What exactly is the difference between these two? On a trading forum, we are all trying to maximize our own gains and minimize our losses - ie. seeking profits. I don't think there is anything wrong or "unclean" about that.


I give cheap deals to poor users, when i can afford it. I also take the time to give items of worth to low level newbies in game all the time (Tyr_Gull). And evil and greedy users i charge higher prices when i can, to balance out the system. It is probably a drop in the ocean, but i can set an example.

The "uncleanliness" comes when someone gets items for free when others must work 10-20 hours for the same progress, if not double or triple that.


Quote (kronosHardcore @ 30 Jul 2019 18:27)
if your goal is to discourage greed, why did not you sell your charm for 2fg here https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=81595456&f=100 ? :unsure:


Because it was worth more, in my opinion.

This post was edited by Taurean on Jul 30 2019 11:07am
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Quote (Taurean @ Jul 30 2019 12:05pm)




Ethics is ethics, wrong is wrong and right is right. Even if 100 000 users disagreed with me, i wouldn't change my mind. If people played clean, the game would be more fun for everyone. Now it's just a money racket. What's the fun in that?
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the greatest fail in ethics is to assume your opinion of what's right and wrong is morally correct.

if i want to play a game where i can just swipe my credit card, buy 20$ worth of FG (after working hard all day at work), then build a char to duel people with, there's nothing morally or ethically incorrect. it's my preference, as it is many other people's.

you're caught up on PVM and selling/buying items. that's only half of the game, and its the half that bots have invalidated. when PVP hacks were more common and dueling games less clean even PVP looked doomed. but there's plenty of legit gm pvp now.

for me diablo 2 is a game to buy items, build fun chars, and pvp on them. period. thats the whole game for me on B.net. i'm not doing anything wrong. you bringing ethics into it just shows you're on a high horse and trying to take a moral high ground based on YOUR preference.

you want to have your time be "worth it"? join slash Diablo or only trade in game. good luck with that.
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