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Sep 18 2022 09:47pm
Quote (Maiklessdoge @ Sep 18 2022 08:07pm)
People / Society are changing how people use words. This has been going on since language. It's what happens as we grow in our understanding of people and the world.

If it is too long for you to read, then I have no interest in continuing. You can go ahead and continue getting the last word or w/e you need to satisfy you.


no need to read nonsense lol

there is two genders/sexes, get over it
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Sep 18 2022 10:01pm
So, I have a degrees in biology and psychology (yeah, I didn't know what I was doing either lol), so maybe I can help here.

First and foremost, we must understand the difference between a word, and a term. A term is an idea that is well defined by the scientific community that governs it and is not open to interpretation. For instance, the term "sex" refers only to reproductive function and chromosomal configuration.

A word is an idea that is less well defined, usually has multiple meanings, and can have it's meaning changed by context. In this case, the word "sex" can mean intercourse, homosexual relations, gender, can be an adjective, and so on.

The word and term for gender are often used interchangeably and argued over needlessly.

As far as I can tell, there really isn't a term for Gender that is particularly useful biologically speaking, as we already have Terms that define well what gender seeks to (biologically speaking). But the word gender is useful in helping to define a single facet of our most complex societal structure, identity.

At it's core, human identity is largely created via "in-groups" and "out-groups." You either are, or you are not "something." I am a male, I am a scientist, I am a gamer, etc. We use these ideas of what we are, and what we are not to develope a sense of self, and because of this, we feel very strongly towards those things we identify as, or as not.

Violations of our identity are often deeply troubling. If you are a Man, and I were to call you a Woman, or attribute to you things society associates with women, you will probably get offended, even if there is no logical reason too.

This is something that must be understood by everyone when regarding gender roles. Both that someone who identifies as a gender asynchronous from their sex is having their identify violated when refeted as something else, and those who must accommodate their identity is too, having their own identity construct violated. It is an identity that both parties should be expected to struggle with, and DEVELOPE with.

That is were I leave this discussion. Both parties are understandably having their identity violated, and both parties must grow and develope their identity along with the changes in societal expectations, because both your identity and societital expectations will continue to develope weather you want it to or not.

This post was edited by Odesseiron on Sep 18 2022 10:02pm
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Quote (Odesseiron @ Sep 18 2022 09:01pm)
So, I have a degrees in biology and psychology (yeah, I didn't know what I was doing either lol), so maybe I can help here.

First and foremost, we must understand the difference between a word, and a term. A term is an idea that is well defined by the scientific community that governs it and is not open to interpretation. For instance, the term "sex" refers only to reproductive function and chromosomal configuration.

A word is an idea that is less well defined, usually has multiple meanings, and can have it's meaning changed by context. In this case, the word "sex" can mean intercourse, homosexual relations, gender, can be an adjective, and so on.

The word and term for gender are often used interchangeably and argued over needlessly.

As far as I can tell, there really isn't a term for Gender that is particularly useful biologically speaking, as we already have Terms that define well what gender seeks to (biologically speaking). But the word gender is useful in helping to define a single facet of our most complex societal structure, identity.

At it's core, human identity is largely created via "in-groups" and "out-groups." You either are, or you are not "something." I am a male, I am a scientist, I am a gamer, etc. We use these ideas of what we are, and what we are not to develope a sense of self, and because of this, we feel very strongly towards those things we identify as, or as not.

Violations of our identity are often deeply troubling. If you are a Man, and I were to call you a Woman, or attribute to you things society associates with women, you will probably get offended, even if there is no logical reason too.

This is something that must be understood by everyone when regarding gender roles. Both that someone who identifies as a gender asynchronous from their sex is having their identify violated when refeted as something else, and those who must accommodate their identity is too, having their own identity construct violated. It is an identity that both parties should be expected to struggle with, and DEVELOPE with.

That is were I leave this discussion. Both parties are understandably having their identity violated, and both parties must grow and develope their identity along with the changes in societal expectations, because both your identity and societital expectations will continue to develope weather you want it to or not.


Thanks for your input. Learned something new today
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Quote (DragonOfTheWest @ Sep 19 2022 03:05am)
I got no problem with the gays, just don't tell me your a female or use your specific pronouns, I won't cater to your delusion.


You're being very aggressive towards mentally handicapped. Did they not teach you in school not to do this?

If I had a dollar for every gender out there, I'd have 2 dollars and a lot of Monopoly money

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Sep 19 2022 01:41am
The world has gone soft and it's just so terrible these days to not offend someone..
Even disney has put warnings ahead of some older classics(like the jungle book) saying its an old depiction and not really what india indians are like) and the sort
And needing He/Him She/Her under names on certain interviews...

That being said theres only 2 genders and if you look like a biological man im calling you he, and biological woman, she
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Sep 19 2022 01:59am
This has absolutely zero impact on both my gameplay and enjoyment of the game - as such I don't see the issue.
In regards to the broader implications I simply don't give a shit as long as someone isn't actively trying to compel my speech and in my country of residence this is luckily not a debate that is given much political focus or relevance
If someone asks me to adress them with a different pronoun than that attributed to their biological gender I will happily do so out of respect for the individual since it costs me absolutely nothing.
If someone starts lecturing me on how biological gender is a construct and how a man can be a woman if they feel like it I walk away.

This post was edited by Zinaroth on Sep 19 2022 02:06am
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If someone starts lecturing me on how biological gender is a construct and how a man can be a woman if they feel like it I walk away.


I think what is oftentimes at the core of all this new "woke" stuff and gender debate is the desire to be special. Individuals feeling the need to be individual.

I was on vacation in Spain this year and while my wife and I were at the pool, an American woman in her 20s entertained everyone in the hotel garden, as she was literally screaming at her aunt. I had heard "snowflakeism" was bad in the U.S. but this woman was breathtakingly "special".

Some of what everyone in the hotel learned that day:

- She is bisexual
- She hates her mother with a passion ("IhateherIhateherIhateherIhateher" as if that was some therapeutical yelling)
- Her best friend (gay) is in love with her but she is in a relationship with someone else
- She has several disorders from the autism spectrum to varying degrees
- Discussing how many genders there are
- Despite her conditions she is a very successful "entrepreneur" and has "employees" and everyone must give her credit for that

She was the kind that you can see on Tiktok faking "ticks".

I cannot take someone like that serious.
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Sep 19 2022 04:52am
Quote (Maiklessdoge @ 19 Sep 2022 00:04)
Our understanding of people and the world has progressed in the past 20 years, everyone else is catching up. Including this game. If its hurting you personally, then you have a lot of introspection to do


Exactly, humans have made so much progress in the last 100 years. It is only right to fix gender now that we've discovered all the new genders.

300,000 B.C. - 2000 A.D.
Total genders: 2

The year 2022
Total genders: [int overflow]
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Sep 19 2022 08:25am
Quote (Zinaroth @ Sep 19 2022 09:59am)
This has absolutely zero impact on both my gameplay and enjoyment of the game - as such I don't see the issue.
In regards to the broader implications I simply don't give a shit as long as someone isn't actively trying to compel my speech and in my country of residence this is luckily not a debate that is given much political focus or relevance
If someone asks me to adress them with a different pronoun than that attributed to their biological gender I will happily do so out of respect for the individual since it costs me absolutely nothing.
If someone starts lecturing me on how biological gender is a construct and how a man can be a woman if they feel like it I walk away.


I agree, zero impact
Speak as you wish
It costs you nothing, and doing it out of respect is fine.

Quote (Haseo @ Sep 19 2022 09:41am)
The world has gone soft and it's just so terrible these days to not offend someone..
Even disney has put warnings ahead of some older classics(like the jungle book) saying its an old depiction and not really what india indians are like) and the sort
And needing He/Him She/Her under names on certain interviews...

That being said theres only 2 genders and if you look like a biological man im calling you he, and biological woman, she


The world has gone soft? So you'd prefer some world wars to bring back the toughness?
If you can't grasp, that colonialism wasn't fun for those being colonized and that the colonists for centuries have dictated how history is written and depicted 'the orient' as well as(and not exclusively) 'indians'('northern american indigenous' people is quite long) and indigenous people in india, australia and south america as barbaric, backwards and in desperate need to be saved by the white man - if you can't grasp that, and feel offended by a 'warning' ahead of a children's book/movie, that's your problem, not the world's. Also I suggest you watch 'Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom'. It's a prime example of that narrative.


Quote (sparkey67 @ Sep 19 2022 12:13pm)
I think what is oftentimes at the core of all this new "woke" stuff and gender debate is the desire to be special. Individuals feeling the need to be individual.

I was on vacation in Spain this year and while my wife and I were at the pool, an American woman in her 20s entertained everyone in the hotel garden, as she was literally screaming at her aunt. I had heard "snowflakeism" was bad in the U.S. but this woman was breathtakingly "special".

Some of what everyone in the hotel learned that day:

- She is bisexual
- She hates her mother with a passion ("IhateherIhateherIhateherIhateher" as if that was some therapeutical yelling)
- Her best friend (gay) is in love with her but she is in a relationship with someone else
- She has several disorders from the autism spectrum to varying degrees
- Discussing how many genders there are
- Despite her conditions she is a very successful "entrepreneur" and has "employees" and everyone must give her credit for that

She was the kind that you can see on Tiktok faking "ticks".

I cannot take someone like that serious.


So don't? Nobody asks you to take everyone serious or to like every person. What that has to do with "woke" or anything 'new' though is beyond me. Scenes like that happened a 100 years ago, maybe with slightly different wording.
Some people always have hated their parents. Some people have always been bisexual. Why a gay guy would be in love with a woman I don't know...sad you didn't get to the bottom of this. Several disorders?Is that your diagnosis or did she mention those? Maybe she has?
Well, quite a few more than 2 ;)
I'm sure you didn't give her credit for her entrepreneurship or for having countless employees,so what's your issue here?


For centuries the earth was flat...I mean, some of you might still believe that, it doesn't mean that's true though.
Until about 50 years ago, nobody had been on the moon, still you're not saying that nobody can step on the moon.
There have always been 2 sexes....There also always have been hermaphrodites, gays, lesbians, and pretty much any other form of sexual preference. Also there have always been people dressing contrary to the cultural 'norm'.
Transgender is ofc a new thing, given that the medical understanding has developed so that transplantations and operations are a thing. A 100 years ago, you'd have died with diabetes, now you can live with it.

This post was edited by Mirosworld on Sep 19 2022 08:26am
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Quote (Mirosworld @ Sep 19 2022 09:25am)
I agree, zero impact
Speak as you wish
It costs you nothing, and doing it out of respect is fine.



The world has gone soft? So you'd prefer some world wars to bring back the toughness?
If you can't grasp, that colonialism wasn't fun for those being colonized and that the colonists for centuries have dictated how history is written and depicted 'the orient' as well as(and not exclusively) 'indians'('northern american indigenous' people is quite long) and indigenous people in india, australia and south america as barbaric, backwards and in desperate need to be saved by the white man - if you can't grasp that, and feel offended by a 'warning' ahead of a children's book/movie, that's your problem, not the world's. Also I suggest you watch 'Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom'. It's a prime example of that narrative.




So don't? Nobody asks you to take everyone serious or to like every person. What that has to do with "woke" or anything 'new' though is beyond me. Scenes like that happened a 100 years ago, maybe with slightly different wording.
Some people always have hated their parents. Some people have always been bisexual. Why a gay guy would be in love with a woman I don't know...sad you didn't get to the bottom of this. Several disorders?Is that your diagnosis or did she mention those? Maybe she has?
Well, quite a few more than 2 ;)
I'm sure you didn't give her credit for her entrepreneurship or for having countless employees,so what's your issue here?


For centuries the earth was flat...I mean, some of you might still believe that, it doesn't mean that's true though.
Until about 50 years ago, nobody had been on the moon, still you're not saying that nobody can step on the moon.
There have always been 2 sexes....There also always have been hermaphrodites, gays, lesbians, and pretty much any other form of sexual preference. Also there have always been people dressing contrary to the cultural 'norm'.
Transgender is ofc a new thing, given that the medical understanding has developed so that transplantations and operations are a thing. A 100 years ago, you'd have died with diabetes, now you can live with it.


What are you on about with war? I meant with being offended by every little thing, you took it way out of context... And im not offended by that pre-movie warning thing, i think its just so dumb to have to see it nowadays....
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