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Jul 7 2022 05:11pm
Quote (Dolphy @ Jul 8 2022 02:50am)
point still stands. the CB from lw is completely obsolete since it's so easily obtainable from other parts


Sorry but nope.

I can even say CB is not a must. Think about what makes Grief a great weapon. Its raw dmg. Yes, dmg kills. CB just helps, even vs Ubers.

Then what is a must vs Ubers? Life Tap (along with Open Wounds).

There are only two options here for non-pally characters: Draculs and what? Yes, Last Wish.

(Marrowwalk is not an option for Talonsin)

You can equip +2 MA gloves if you wield a LW. +2 MA means more dmg. And Might aura from LW adds dmg too. Yes, dmg kills.

And LW offer CB as well. Yes, it helps.

And fade from LW means some res and dr.

VS Uber Meph, Non-pally characters need 300 res (310LR is preferable if you use tgods), as they have no way to use higher lvl conviction, btw.

Try another chars vs ubers. It's fun😊
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Jul 7 2022 05:55pm
Quote (di3tc0ke @ Jul 7 2022 06:11pm)
Sorry but nope.

I can even say CB is not a must. Think about what makes Grief a great weapon. Its raw dmg. Yes, dmg kills. CB just helps, even vs Ubers.

Then what is a must vs Ubers? Life Tap (along with Open Wounds).

There are only two options here for non-pally characters: Draculs and what? Yes, Last Wish.

(Marrowwalk is not an option for Talonsin)

You can equip +2 MA gloves if you wield a LW. +2 MA means more dmg. And Might aura from LW adds dmg too. Yes, dmg kills.

And LW offer CB as well. Yes, it helps.

And fade from LW means some res and dr.

VS Uber Meph, Non-pally characters need 300 res (310LR is preferable if you use tgods), as they have no way to use higher lvl conviction, btw.

Try another chars vs ubers. It's fun😊


You are right if we're talking semantics.

But you make as much sense as a midget running track against proper athletes. Does the midget finish? probably. Does the midget offer any form of competition or awe or inspiration? sure.
But who's gonna put their sponsorship on a smaller billboard?
Last Wish is garbage, if it's absolutely necessary and the build was built around it, then great. But its still garbage.
A melee sorc can do ubers.
Shit, Team MeRc has videos of low level chars completing ubers.
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Jul 7 2022 06:06pm
Quote (VanLycan @ Jul 8 2022 08:55am)
Last Wish is garbage, if it's absolutely necessary and the build was built around it, then great. But its still garbage.


Thx for typing, but I don't get your point at all ;)
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Jul 7 2022 06:07pm
Quote (di3tc0ke @ Jul 7 2022 07:06pm)
Thx for typing, but I don't get your point at all ;)


Read it again.
You're the midget running track against proper athletes.
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Jul 7 2022 06:14pm
Quote (VanLycan @ Jul 8 2022 09:07am)
Read it again.
You're the midget running track against proper athletes.


I did and still don't get what's your point.

Re-write it?
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Jul 7 2022 06:23pm
Quote (di3tc0ke @ Jul 7 2022 07:14pm)
I did and still don't get what's your point.

Re-write it?


I can, but you still wont understand. That's your crutch, not mine. sometimes you just come across people who are simply sub par, and that is you, sir.
I'm glad you're having fun, tho!
yayyyy you did it!
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Jul 7 2022 06:26pm
Quote (VanLycan @ Jul 8 2022 09:23am)
I can, but you still wont understand. That's your crutch, not mine. sometimes you just come across people who are simply sub par, and that is you, sir.
I'm glad you're having fun, tho!
yayyyy you did it!


Yup!

You should've written something which supports your statement: LW is garbage.

Have a nice day! :)
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Jul 7 2022 06:30pm
Quote (di3tc0ke @ Jul 7 2022 07:26pm)
Yup!

You should've written something which supports your statement: LW is garbage.

Have a nice day! :)


My day has been fantasitic, thanks :)

My statement has been argued and verified many many times by folks here far more versed in the game than you or I. I'm sure its before your time here, tho. The math has been done and the testing has been done.

Last wish can be your favorite main hand if thats your thing! But the discussion is LW vs Grief. Anything vs grief melee is garbage (Hybrid runewords are a sep discussion)

You should write up something why LW isnt garbage and post it. I'll throw some love your way.
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Jul 7 2022 07:32pm
Quote (di3tc0ke @ Jul 8 2022 01:11am)

Then what is a must vs Ubers? Life Tap (along with Open Wounds).

There are only two options here for non-pally characters: Draculs and what? Yes, Last Wish.


LW is only good because of the cb.
If you want to have life tap, you can just shop a wand with charges, assuming you for some reason desperately want +2 of an assa tree instead of draculs. It's cheaper than 5 hrs.
If you want the fade proc, you can get it way cheaper as well.


Quote (di3tc0ke @ Jul 8 2022 01:11am)

I can even say CB is not a must. Think about what makes Grief a great weapon. Its raw dmg. Yes, dmg kills. CB just helps, even vs Ubers.


You will clear ubers faster with a low dmg weapon + high cb than with just a high dmg weapon. CB doesn't just help in ubers - it's doing the majority of the damage



My opinion: Grief is better in almost every situation, but if you want to clear ubers really fast, and have the correct items, LW will be slightly better.
I'd recommend spending 30-60sec more time in uber trist and using the 4.5 - 5 hrs to make a full new char
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Jul 7 2022 07:41pm
Quote (Axel420 @ Jul 8 2022 10:32am)
LW is only good because of the cb.

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Quote (Dolphy @ Jul 8 2022 02:50am)
point still stands. the CB from lw is completely obsolete since it's so easily obtainable from other parts


Fight! :rofl:
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