This and..



This.

Could say more on this but to be blunt about it.. super high CR / repl / hotspurs is just flexing how much of a pussy you are to engage in the fight. Period.

This post was edited by markiemark on Dec 1 2021 08:25am

"Using items available in the game makes you a pussy"

That doesn't really sound right.

"Preventing someone from using an item because it counters your build makes you a pussy"

That one's a bit more accurate.



It's like if you had a BvB rule that prevented damage to attacker mods or flat damage reduced mods. It makes no sense.

If you host a svs tournament without restrictions (other than health pots, shrines, not leaving bloodmoor) there there won't be any cross matchups where you "counter" the opponent.. It's not like people don't know that hotspurs are good against Fire sorcs after 20 years.
Everyones resistances will exceed coldmasteries bonus and everyones max res will be 90-95 (hawk, spurs etc.) and people will have high repl. All those builds are not special, everyone can easily apply them to their sorcs. It feels like some people think they found the philosopher's stone just because they know how to stack max res and repl.

The bvb equivalent to this would be to reduce phys dmg by 95% and use 80 repl. Wouldn't be too funny if both barbs lose 1% life each ww and are back to full again in 10 seconds. The game just gave us no way to do that, which makes bvb less dependent on rules.

The real question is how do we want duels to look like? Do we want long duels, where people play defensively to repl, or do we want fast paced duels?



If i got equal fcr values to your sorc and i decide to teleport away from you, you will not be able to catch me. that's a fact.
We will just both end up with full life again and duel until someone is pissed off or out of mana.

This post was edited by BaHgerAUT on Dec 1 2021 09:51am

make a svs tourny , i will be happy to show you my power

If you put hotspurs on in fb vs fb, I'd just roll my eyes and do the same. Then I'd be thinking "If he's willing to do that, I bet he's willing to duel like a pussy and run from me half the time". Those items create a shit gameplay experience in my opinion.

just had to delete an hour of writing got way to long

smart
thawing potions clearly not aloud, only mana pots are aloud, but even if they chew the thawings and i dont check for them they are still going to lose
(also note i have had some duels where the other player wanted to use thawings and i agreed it was ok)

terriblenerd
lighting vs lighting would be impossible for eurp and america to play i think, i would be open to going to eurp
for some svs fights that were not lighting vs lighting tho, L V L id prolly have a very laggy death on eurp

Ferdia...
idk i destroy all these things these players think is "op" they seem to think stacking resistance and putting on alot
of replenish is good and that anyone can do it, but ive been slaying these builds all my life Not Op* i could care less
if someone is using hotspurs or hawk or 3socket shields against me... and i dont even use that stuff feels weird like i
am defending stuff that i do not even use; franky it wouldnt b fair if people were NOT aloud to use this stuff against me

BahgerAUT...
not equally expensive, and not even useable, unless people are playing by your rules, which over all sucks because
this basically tricks people into buying 3/6 4/5 5/6 lower gear for more expensive price basically ripping them off
i understand eurp stuff may be worth 5000-10000.... but only because of rules, in the real game worth much much less
i guess it goes the same way tho huh... i tried to sell a SICK godly svs item a few years back on eurp was prolly worth
10000-15000 on east you know what they told me? they told me my item was tooo high. imagine that finding a battle hammer
and being told it has to much damage or that it has to much +skills

Youshould...
oldschool east does not put no rules as bmpk, and actually, we do have rules too but our rules do not tell a player
what he can or can not wear, or rules are to the gameplay, no hacks, no healingpots no juvs no thaws no shrines no hiding in the
den of evil for 20 minutes hiding from me replenishing ur life i joke... the point is you put extremely good mannered
svs into a catigory with bmpk... bmpk in east terms would be like, naked duel juvs trtp hacks thaws teaming rejoin remake
bangbang so yeah... way out of bounds; this has always been the Good mannered dueling

Markiemark...
hi this is a big part of my point i think people fail to understand
super high Cr / Repl / hotspurs will get destroyed by me. Peroid.

BaHgerAUT
you make it sound as if throwing on hotspurs or hawk or 80 replenish is going to give the player the win lol,which just isnt the case
again sir this only works against weak sorc/average new players, you apsolutely right and said it yourself; those builds are nothing
special, everyone can easily apply them to their sorc, but these things are not op and are still very beatable; so why nerf them
no offense to you but ussually i think this happens because the person attempting to nerf it thinks its Op and does not understand
how to beat it or how it works so wants to ban because "Overpowered" not saying thats you just saying thats why id guess it happens

BaHgerAUT part 2 (damn this has taken for ever to respond to about ur =fcr line)
playing defensive and teliporting away from them i am not sure we are talking about the samething
ofc im not going to catch you if you disengage and go outside of the area we have cleared to duel in
but surely even with less fcr then you i could engage you in our dueling area not really sure where your
going with this expecially when the point and arguement has nothing to do with the user and if i can catch him
or not, the question is, does throwing on a bunch of replenish and cr make you over powered; which i am here telling you
that it does not; and you simply throwing on replenish and stacked resistance isnt going to be enough to kill me
i will kill a strong user's 95RES 87REP as i have done for years...

maybe if you wanted to get rid of something where i was like... oh man damn that really isnt fair maybe i would be on board
but honestly i dont think any items any player uses is going to be giving them an edge over me; when i think of this
angelic ring and amulet come to mind for bvb i would think those are a bit over powered but i can just use them myself
as everyone else does

markiemark...
what if he wears hotspurs you put on hotspurs and he never runs from you what if he just chases you down relentlessly and kills you
shit gameplay experience? well let mee ask you this lets both take off hotspurs and just use rare boots right and only go 75 75 fr
now what is the difference, from me once again just chasing you down relentlessly and killing you, and if so would this also give
you a shit gameplay experience? because 75FR OR 95FR FB VS FB im still chasing you down 100% of the time and killing you im not
even talking shit saying i would beat you or anything like that dont misunderestand my point, which is 75fr or 95fr fbvsfb is no
difference, and the player dueling like a "pussy" has actually nothing to do with the item he is wearing but more so his " defensive"
action in the duel so yes; its not the item you are upset with but more his action cause who cares about 7575 or 9595 when this is
not one bit differnce in fb vs fb but an extra 30 seconds to the duel, simular to how a barb would use can not be frozen vs a coldsorc

This post was edited by Jvun7 on Dec 10 2021 05:06am

Bro if I dont want you to catch me for 20min you wont, i can perfectly repl just by tele around.

The rules are mostly made to create fast-paced intense duels. Anyway 99% of svs tours will have rules, up to you not to join

me baba me whirl

#1 man the only way your excaping a top sorc user is if you leave the area they have cleared to duel in and teliport outside of it
a. duels generally always took place infront of the bridge more or less, what you are discribing is you basically teliporting outside of the dueling arena
ofc im not going to catch you if you are holding down teliport and running for your life making me chase you to act 3. BUT the main point here is
instead of blaming this on you running away instead you blame it on replenish, replenish is not the problem you running out of the area we have cleared
to duel in is the problem, for some reason now you do not want " intense duels " and now u just want to run for 20 minutes? lol ^^

#2 not going hard on #2 but would like to throw in...
a. no-rule duels where players have any gear and can have big stacked resistance replenish or what ever they want you know.. Strong gear/build
generally makes the duels MUCHHHHH more aggressive and intense then duels where u can not have these things for obvious reasons stronger and can
afford to get hit a little more over time, so with that being said, much more fear and defensive play comes from non-replenish / low resistance
limited gear duels and makes boring non-intense duels where people are basically camping i have seen this MUCCHHHH more in limited rules

#3 99% of svs duels will have no-rules. its up to you how you will build you characters